Storing KNO3: Best Practices for Safe Containment

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around best practices for safely storing potassium nitrate (KNO3) powder, particularly in the context of its use for rocket fuel. Participants explore various containment options, safety precautions, and the implications of storage choices in different environments.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using a plastic container that previously held pretzels, raising concerns about its suitability and sealing capability.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of using labeled containers with Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) information and mentions specific storage precautions for KNO3.
  • Concerns are raised about storing KNO3 in a bedroom due to potential health risks associated with prolonged exposure.
  • Some participants propose using bottles for better sealing, while others argue that a barrel-shaped container may suffice if it is kept dry and away from incompatible materials.
  • One participant mentions that KNO3 is not highly hygroscopic and suggests that a bottle with a screw cap could be adequate for storage.
  • Another participant notes that while KNO3 is not dangerous by itself, it could be toxic in large amounts, advocating for safe storage practices.
  • Participants inquire about the intended use of KNO3, with one revealing plans to use it for sugar rockets in a contest.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the best storage methods for KNO3, with no consensus reached on the most appropriate container or safety measures. Concerns about health risks and the suitability of various containers are debated.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various safety precautions and the importance of keeping KNO3 away from heat and incompatible materials. There are unresolved questions regarding the effectiveness of different container types and the implications of storing KNO3 in a personal space.

Nimajneb
I just got 2lbs of 99.8% Pure KNO3 Powder in the mail. It came in a kind of sketchy bag. I want to contain somewhere safe, so... where should I put it? Is an old Pretzel Snack plastic container good enough, or do I need a good seal?
 
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Not a good idea in a kitchen where someone could be surprised.

A pretzel bag will probably have some salt in it. Not likely to stay dry.

You should keep things in labeled containers with MSDS information.
http://www.sciencelab.com/msds.php?msdsId=9927232
Section 7: Handling and Storage
Precautions:
Keep away from heat. Keep away from sources of ignition. Keep away from combustible material.. Do not ingest. Do not
breathe dust. Wear suitable protective clothing. In case of insufficient ventilation, wear suitable respiratory equipment. If
ingested, seek medical advice immediately and show the container or the label. Avoid contact with skin and eyes. Keep away
from incompatibles such as reducing agents, combustible materials, organic materials, metals.
Storage:
Hygroscopic. Keep container tightly closed. Keep container in a cool, well-ventilated area. Separate from acids, alkalies,
reducing agents and combustibles. See NFPA 43A, Code for the Storage of Liquid and Solid Oxidizers.
 
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I should have been more specific.

1. It's a kind of barrel-shaped, transparent, plastic container that used to have pretzels in it. (I washed it out.)
2. I'd put it in my room, which has a fan constantly running. I'm not sure if it would be the optimum place, considering that I have a pet bird, and desk made of untreated wood, although I'd only use the KNO3 out of my room for a precaution for my bird.
 
Why don't you use simply a bottle?
 
Because I got 2lbs and I don't think it'd fit in a bottle. The plastic-barrel was just laying around so I thought I might as well use that.
 
Nimajneb said:
Because I got 2lbs and I don't think it'd fit in a bottle. The plastic-barrel was just laying around so I thought I might as well use that.
Probably, as it doesn't seem to be equally hydrophile as salt. I still would prefer bottles as they can be closed better. Just keep it apart from other chemicals, e.g. boron. May I ask, what you intend to do with it?
 
Nimajneb said:
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2. I'd put it in my room...

The substance may be toxic to blood, kidneys, central nervous system (CNS).
Repeated or prolonged exposure to the substance can produce target organs damage.
I will not recommend have anything with a health warning in your bedroom.

An non-damaged plastic container and lid is as good as the seal. For example canning jars have a "rubber" gasket where the glass contacts the lid. Soda bottle lids usually have an insert in the cap which does the same thing. The water and CO2 do not leave a soda bottle. Water does slowly leak out of most bottle water bottles which are threaded plastic. The leak is not very noticeable on short time scales. The gasket (or seal) cannot be made of anything that reacts with the chemical.

Completely sealing a container is not necessarily safe either. The container could pop.

A plastic bag inside of a solid container is less likely to fail than either one by themselves.
 
That's exactly what I did. The KNO3 came in a double sealed bag, so I put that inside of the plastic container.
 
fresh_42 said:
May I ask, what you intend to do with it?
@Nimajneb -- I would like to know the application as well.
 
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Rocket fuel. Sugar as the combustible and KNO3 as the oxidizer.
 
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My cousin and I are having a rocket contest. (P.S. I want to be a Rocket Scientist. Although Sugar Rockets are probably quite far from actual Rocket Science.)
 
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KNO3 isn't wildly hygroscopic, so any big bottle with a screw cap should be fine. If you're really concerned, you can always wrap a layer of parafilm around the opening.
 
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It's not a dangerous or corrosive substance by itself, but could be poisonous if a large amount was consumed.
Any sealed container will do, and kept in a dry cool place is probably a good idea.
 
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Nimajneb said:
My cousin and I are having a rocket contest.
What level certification do you have from the Tripoli Rocketry Association?
 
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berkeman said:
What level certification do you have from the Tripoli Rocketry Association?

Isn't it only for high power rockets?
 
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I guess so. It came up in the Mentor discussion about this thread...

NVM if it's not applicable here.
 

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