Stress exerted on a wooden cube dropped on concrete floor

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around estimating the stress or impact force experienced by a wooden cube when dropped onto a concrete floor. Participants explore various assumptions and methods for calculating the impact force, including considerations of material deformation and collision time.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using the change in momentum to estimate the impact force, noting the need to measure the collision duration.
  • Another participant suggests that the concrete will not deform significantly, but the wooden cube might, particularly if dropped on a corner.
  • A third participant introduces the concept of impulse as a relevant factor in collision scenarios.
  • A later reply emphasizes that while impulse was considered, the key challenge remains measuring the collision time and ground deformation.
  • One participant offers a method to estimate a lower limit for the force based on assumed deformation of the cube and provides a calculation for deceleration and force.
  • Another participant discusses modeling the scenario using solid deformation mechanics and finite element method (FEM) software to analyze deformation histories and contact forces.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of calculating the collision time and the extent of deformation, indicating that there is no consensus on a definitive method for estimating the impact force.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the uncertainty regarding the deformation of materials, the dependence on specific assumptions about the collision, and the unresolved nature of the mathematical steps involved in estimating the collision time.

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I wonder if it is possible to at least estimate the stress (or the impact force) that the cube in question will experience due to the collision with the concrete floor. Assumptions:
1. The cube is dropped from height h
2. The cube is relatively small, thus we can neglect air resistance

\frac{\Delta p}{\Delta t} = F
F = \frac{m \Delta v}{\Delta t}
\Delta v = -\sqrt{2gh}
F = \frac{-m\sqrt{2gh}}{\Delta t}

Now, I do not have an idea how to find the distance of the collision. It seems that the only way would be to measure the deformation of concrete under the cube (I assume the cube does not bounce upwards).
Is there a way to estimate how long the collision will last?
 
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The concrete won't deform much but the wood might if dropped on a corner. Otherwise I think the only way to do it is to measure it.

We used to fit accelerometers to computers and drop them to test packaging.
 
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jim mcnamara,
Actually I already used impulse in the equations I wrote.
The only thing that is problematic is the time of the collision / the deformation of the ground.
I guess there is really no way to calculate it, it needs to be measured.
 
You could estimate a lower limit of the force...

For example if the corner of a 1kg cube was compressed say 5mm by a drop onto concrete from 3m you could use 5mm as an estimate for the stopping distance. That gives you a deceleration of >5880m/s2 (about 600g) and a force of 5880N.

Perhaps worth a look...

https://www.endevco.com/news/archivednews/2009/2009_02/tp321.pdf
 
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It is possible to model all this by treating the ground and the cube as elastic materials, and using solid deformation mechanics to calculate the deformation histories of the cube and the ground. This will also give you the time history of the contact force, the contact pressure distribution, and the time of contact. This kind of calculation is typically carried out using finite element method (FEM) software. If the ground is rigid, then the contact time is equal to 2 times the side of the cube divided by the speed of sound in the cube material.
 
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