Stress, strain and modulus - log hung from 2 wires

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a 104kg log suspended by two steel wires, A and B, with a focus on calculating the force on wire B and the ratio of distances from the log's center of mass to each wire. The initial calculations for the forces were incorrect due to an error in calculating the cross-sectional area of the wires, which should be based on the radius rather than the diameter. Correcting this mistake is essential for obtaining the accurate force on wire B and subsequently the distance ratio. The user acknowledges the oversight and expresses gratitude for the clarification, indicating a willingness to redo the calculations for accurate results. Overall, attention to detail in calculations is emphasized as crucial for solving such problems.
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Homework Statement


There is a 104kg uniform log hung on two steel wires, A and B, both of radius 1.00mm. Initially, wire A was 2.70m long and 2.00mm shorter than wire B. The log is now horizontal. Note that the centre of gravity (com) is not necessarily centered between the wires and the modulus of steel is 20x1010Pa.
a) What is the magnitude of the force on the log from wire B?
b) What is the ratio of distance from wire A to com/distance from wire B to com?

Homework Equations



modulus = \frac{stress}{strain}
modulus_B = \frac{F_B~/~m^{2}}{Δl~/~l_{o}}
F_B = \frac{(Δl)(area)(modulus)}{l_{o}}

The Attempt at a Solution



I'm assuming the left wire is wire A
length of A = 2.70 m
length of B = 2.702 m
area of wire = \pi d^2 ÷ 4
let x = change in length of B
so that x+0.002 = change in length of A
F_A = force of wire A
F_B = force of wire B
total weight of block = (104kg)(9.81) = 1020.24N
F_A + F_B = 1020.24 N
distance from wire A = d_A
distance from wire B = d_B

a)
F_B = \frac{(Δl)(area)(modulus)}{l_{o}}
F_B = \frac{(x)(7.85398*10^{-7}m^{2})(20*10^{10}Pa}{2.702m}
F_B = 58134.579x

F_A = \frac{(Δl)(area)(modulus)}{l_{o}}
F_A = \frac{(x+0.002)(7.85398*10^{-7}m^{2})(20*10^{10}Pa}{2.70m}
F_A = 58177.64x + 116.355

F_A + F_B = 1020.24 N
(58177.64x)+(58130x)+(116.355)=1020.24 N
x(58177.64+58130)=1020.24-116.355
x=7.77*10^{-3} m

F_{B}=(area)(modulus)(strain)
F_{B}=(7.85398*10^{-7})(20*10^{10})(X ÷ 2.702) = 4.51775*10^{2} N
F_{A}=5.6846*10^{2} Nb)
\sum\tau=0
(d_A)(F_A)-(d_B)(F_B)=0
\frac{d_A}{d_B} = \frac{F_B}{F_A}
\frac{d_A}{d_B} = \frac{4.51775*10^2}{5.6846*10^2}
\frac{d_A}{d_B} = 1.25829 = 1.26

Unfortunately, the website said that my answers for a) and b) are wrong. I know that since a) is wrong, that automatically makes b) wrong. Any help would be appreciated!
 
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In part a, your approach is excellent. I didn't check all your math, but I notice you have calculated the area incorrectly. If the wire has a 1mm radius, it's area in x-section is ∏r^2 = 3.14E-06 m^2. Looks like you used d =1 mm instead of r = 1mm.:frown: Redo the math and you should get the correct answer.

In part b, aside from making the necessary correction in numbers, it's da/db, but your result calculates db/da.

Otherwise, you've done yourself proud:approve:
 
Wow, what a simple mistake! Thanks for catching that - I would have been trying to figure it out for hours!
 
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