Subspace Question: Why Not Closed Under Addition?

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can someone please explain why it is not closed under addition?
My textbook did not explain very well, but I understand this can be zero vector and it is closed under scalar multiplication.
thanks!

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[x,y]=[1,-1] satisfies x^2=y^2. So does [1,1]. Does their sum?
 
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oh ,
(1+1, 1-1)
(2,0) not in (x,y)
am i correct?
or can you explain to me in word?
 
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Nope said:
can you show me?, because I don't get the closed under addition part at all..

Do you agree [1,-1] and [1,1] are in your subspace? What's the sum [1,-1]+[1,1]? It's vector addition, right?
 
yes, (2,0)
 
Nope said:
yes, (2,0)

Is [2,0] in your set where x^2+y^2=1?
 
Nope said:
oh ,
(1+1, 1-1)
(2,0) not in (x,y)
am i correct?
or can you explain to me in word?

Right! (2,0) is not in (x,y) such that x^2=y^2. So your set is NOT closed under addition.
 
not in the set, but why is x^2+y^2 equal to one?
 
Nope said:
not in the set, but why is x^2+y^2 equal to one?

It isn't. I meant to write x^2=y^2 or x^2-y^2=0. My mistake.
 
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is there another way to prove it? like using x1 or y2
 
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Nope said:
is there another way to prove it? like using x1 or y2

The most direct way to prove a set is NOT closed under addition is to find two elements in the set whose sum is NOT in the set. I'm not sure why you would want another way.
 
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I got it, thanks!
 
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