Summer+inverter op amp[multisim diagram]

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The circuit designed for input voltages of 100mV to 400mV aiming to output -10V to 10V is experiencing simulation issues, yielding 14.50V DC and 0V AC. Key problems identified include potential short-circuiting at the oscilloscope connections and the absence of negative power supplies, which are crucial for proper operation. It's advised not to ground the negative terminal of the function generator, as it can cause confusion in connections. The oscilloscope's negative terminal should connect to a zero-volt point instead of the op-amp's negative input to avoid introducing noise. Proper adjustments to the circuit and connections are necessary for accurate simulation results.
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I have the circuit below which is supposed to take input of 100mV to 400mV and output a voltage of -10v and 10V respectively. I have designed the circuit below through multisim and would like to verify if its correct before trying to connect on breadboard. When I simulate the circuit, I get 14.50V for dc and for AC i get 0V ?

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Without analyzing it in detail two big problems stand out.

1. I don't use "multisim" but it looks to me that you're unintentionally short circuiting those two points connected to channel A on the scope.

2. You have no negative power supplies! If you take a DC supply and connect the nominal positive side to ground but then give the supply a negative value (-15), then it's actually a positive supply (by virtue of double negative).
 
uart said:
1. I don't use "multisim" but it looks to me that you're unintentionally short circuiting those two points connected to channel A on the scope.
An oscilloscope has high input impedance.

In addition to what uart said about the supplies, don't ground the negative end of the function generator.
 
Jiggy-Ninja said:
An oscilloscope has high input impedance.

In addition to what uart said about the supplies, don't ground the negative end of the function generator.

I'm getting confused here. Where should the - terminal of oscilloscope and function generator be connected to?

The results of the simulation are shown below. Keep in mind I am supposed to get -10V and 10V

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bos1234 said:
I'm getting confused here. Where should the - terminal of oscilloscope and function generator be connected to?

The results of the simulation are shown below. Keep in mind I am supposed to get -10V and 10V
The scope is fine. The - terminla of the function generator shouldn't be connected to anything.
 
Jiggy-Ninja said:
An oscilloscope has high input impedance.

Ha I know that. :smile:
That circuit diagram was a bit small on my monitor and I thought the scope had single ended inputs (with respect to ground). So that the two input wires would have been connected together to a common node at the oscilloscope input instead of to separate "+" and "-" nodes. I had to look a bit closer to notice that it's a differential input (+,-).
 
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bos1234 said:
I'm getting confused here. Where should the - terminal of oscilloscope and function generator be connected to?
You've currently got the scope negative connected to the opamp negative input, which should be a "virtual earth" (if your circuit was working properly). Whether or not it will make a difference in multisim, in real life you shouldn't be adding extra capacitance and perhaps extra noise pickup here. You should connect it directly to a zero volt point (earth) instead.
 
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