Superposition, interference and mathematical description

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concepts of superposition and interference of waves, specifically focusing on path difference and its implications for constructive and destructive interference. Participants explore the relationship between phase differences and the resulting amplitudes of combined waves, as well as specific examples involving numerical values and theoretical interpretations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on the concept of path difference in relation to superposition and interference.
  • Another explains that the path difference between two waves can determine their relative phase and thus the type of interference that occurs, using examples of phase differences corresponding to specific path differences.
  • A participant questions whether a 90-degree phase difference results in constructive interference, suggesting that constructive interference occurs only when waves are in phase.
  • It is noted that complete constructive interference occurs at integral multiples of 2π (360 degrees) and complete destructive interference occurs at π (180 degrees), with intermediate phase differences resulting in varying amplitudes.
  • A later participant raises a question about a specific example involving path difference in a soap film, expressing confusion about the relationship between path difference and phase difference, particularly regarding the interpretation of antiphase.
  • Another participant clarifies that a path difference of λ/2 corresponds to a phase difference of 180 degrees, indicating that this results in waves being perfectly out of phase.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the definitions of constructive and destructive interference related to phase differences. However, there is disagreement regarding the interpretation of specific phase differences and their implications for interference, particularly in the context of the soap film example.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes unresolved questions about the relationship between path difference and phase difference, particularly in specific scenarios. Some assumptions about wave behavior and interference conditions remain unexamined.

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I understand that this concept is about 2 (or more) waves meeting in constructive (when waves are added to form larger amplitude wave) or destructive (when waves are subtracted to form smaller amplitude waves) inteference but I don't really understand what path difference is about?

I've read up and it shows me many numerical interpretations but I can't understand how I can relate it to superposition.

It would be helpful if someone can explain the concept of path difference. Thank you in advance. :smile:
 
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Say you have two waves that converge at a singe point. To determine the resulting superposition, you need to know their relative phase. If you know their phase at some earlier point (their origin, perhaps) and how far they traveled to get to the destination, you can figure out their phase. If both waves started out with the same phase, you can determine their phase difference by comparing the difference in the paths that each took. (Think of the path length as measured in wavelengths.) The "path difference" will tell you their relative phase. If they started out in phase, but one traveled an extra quarter wavelength (say) the path difference would be [itex]\lambda/4[/itex], which corresponds to a phase difference of 90 degrees.

So if two waves started out in phase and had a path difference of [itex]\lambda/2[/itex] when they arrived at the destination, they would be 180 degrees out of phase and would demonstrate destructive interference.

Make sense?
 
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Yes, It does. Thank you.

But, I have one more question...
If two waves are out out phase by [itex]90^{\circ}[/itex], would this cause constructive interference? I thought constructive interference is caused when the waves meet in phase so would this have the same affect but their amplitude would not be as large?
 
Completely constructive interference would occur when the phase difference is an integral multiple of [itex]2 \pi[/itex] (360 degrees); Completely destructive interference would occur when the phase difference is [itex]\pi[/itex] (180 degrees). Any other phase difference--such as 90 degrees--would give you something in between.

But you are correct that two waves out of phase by 90 degrees would have a resultant amplitude greater than either one but less than their sum.
 
Sorry, for bringing back this thread back but my question is related to path difference.

Q: The path difference is [itex]2.22 \times 10^{-7}m[/itex] in the soap film. The wavelength of the yellow sodium light in the soap film is [itex]4.44 \times 10^{-7}[/itex]. Explain why the part of the film appears dark to the student.
A: The answer said that the path difference is [itex]\frac{\lambda}{2}[/itex] so waves will meet in antiphase.

Isn't [itex]\frac{\lambda}{2}[/itex] equal to [itex]90^{\circ}[/itex] out of phase so it wouldn't meet in antiphase? I agree there may be some destructive interference but I thought waves wouldn't meet in antiphase as it is [itex]180^{\circ}[/itex] out of phase.
 
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Isn't [itex]\frac{\lambda}{2}[/itex] equal to [itex]90^{\circ}[/itex] out of phase so it wouldn't meet in antiphase?
No, a complete wavelength equals 360 degrees of phase difference (and thus in phase), so [itex]\lambda/2 = 180[/itex] degrees (and thus perfectly out of phase).
 

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