Superposition of two cosine waves

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The discussion revolves around the superposition of two cosine waves that have different periods and amplitudes. The original poster seeks assistance in finding a solution or formula for this scenario, noting that while solutions exist for waves with the same amplitudes, the case with differing amplitudes and periods presents challenges.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the possibility of using Fourier series methods and discuss the implications of plotting the resulting function over a range of values. Questions arise about finding maximum and minimum values, determining periodicity, and whether a universal formula exists for the case of differing amplitudes.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the nature of the problem and questioning the existence of a simple solution for the general case. There is a recognition that the approach may depend on the specific goals of the original poster, but no consensus has been reached regarding a definitive method or formula.

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Participants note that the problem may require numerical methods for certain calculations, and there is an acknowledgment of the complexity introduced by the differing amplitudes and periods of the waves.

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Homework Statement


Superposition of two cosine waves with different periods and different amplitudes.

Homework Equations


This is basically:
acos(y*t) + bcos(x*t)

The Attempt at a Solution


I looked at different trig functions but it seems it is not a standard solution. I've found solutions for different amplitudes (but the same periods) but am unable to find one for different amplitudes and periods.

Can anyone help?
 
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Dom_Ldn said:

Homework Statement


Superposition of two cosine waves with different periods and different amplitudes.

Homework Equations


This is basically:
acos(y*t) + bcos(x*t)

The Attempt at a Solution


I looked at different trig functions but it seems it is not a standard solution. I've found solutions for different amplitudes (but the same periods) but am unable to find one for different amplitudes and periods.

Can anyone help?

What are you trying to do? If you know the values of a, b, x, y you can plot a graph of y over a range of t values. If you are trying to find the maximum and minimum values of y, you have a Calculus problem whose solution would (generally) require numerical solution methods---there would no universal "formula" you could use the find the desired values. If you are trying to determine whether y(t) is periodic--and to find the period if it is---there would be still other calculations you would need to make.

So, what you should do depends on what you are attempting to achieve.
 
Ray Vickson said:
What are you trying to do? If you know the values of a, b, x, y you can plot a graph of y over a range of t values. If you are trying to find the maximum and minimum values of y, you have a Calculus problem whose solution would (generally) require numerical solution methods---there would no universal "formula" you could use the find the desired values. If you are trying to determine whether y(t) is periodic--and to find the period if it is---there would be still other calculations you would need to make.

So, what you should do depends on what you are attempting to achieve.

I was trying to achieve a universal formula for a bichromatic wave surface elevation consisting of two waves with different amplitudes. There is a universal formula for a bichromatic wave surface elevation with the same amplitudes:

eta = H/2cos(om1*t) + H/2cos(om2*t) = H * cos((om1-om2)/2 * t) * cos((om1+om2)/2 * t)

From your reply, I am assuming that something similar doesn't exist for a bichromatic wave with two different amplitudes?
 
Dom_Ldn said:
I was trying to achieve a universal formula for a bichromatic wave surface elevation consisting of two waves with different amplitudes. There is a universal formula for a bichromatic wave surface elevation with the same amplitudes:

eta = H/2cos(om1*t) + H/2cos(om2*t) = H * cos((om1-om2)/2 * t) * cos((om1+om2)/2 * t)

From your reply, I am assuming that something similar doesn't exist for a bichromatic wave with two different amplitudes?

I don't think you can read that into anything I said in my reply; I was just asking you to clarify what you wanted. However, I think there may not be any simple solution to the more general problem, but I am not sure. So, yes, indeed, I suspect there is not something similar in the general case.
 

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