Supposly simple balistic motion prob

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The original poster attempts to determine the angle at which a ball should be thrown to achieve a specific horizontal distance in a projectile motion scenario. The problem involves analyzing the equations of motion for a projectile launched from the ground with an initial velocity.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the angle of projection and the distance traveled, referencing trigonometric identities and properties of the sine function. There is a focus on understanding why multiple angles can yield the same sine value and the implications of periodicity in trigonometric functions.

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Participants are exploring the mathematical relationships involved in the problem, particularly the implications of the sine function's properties. Some guidance is provided regarding the periodic nature of sine and its relationship to angles, but no consensus on the specific angle solutions has been reached.

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There is a mention of the original poster's confusion regarding the multiple valid angles that can result from the equations, indicating a potential gap in understanding the underlying principles of projectile motion and trigonometric functions.

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At what angle relative to the horizon should you throw a ball at V0=15 m/s (from the ground of course) in order for it to hit back the ground a distance of 21m away?

I found that 2θ=66.16+2∏k, and so θ=33.08+∏k, but the truth is that θ=56.92 is also a correct answer! How could I get this answer from the equations??

x(t)=Vocosθt
y(t)=0 at hit so: 0=Vosinθt-0.5gt^2 ... t(impact) = 2V0sinθ/g or 0

back to x: 21=(2sinθcosθVo^2)/g = sin2θ*V0^2 / g and so sin2θ=21g/V0^2
 
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This follows from sin x = sin (∏ - x).
 
voko said:
This follows from sin x = sin (∏ - x).

wow you're right... so why do we say sin has a period of 2∏ if we can see that angles that are separated less than 2∏ have the same value?
 
f(x) is said to be a-periodic if f(x) = f(x + a). For f(x) = sin x, this works when a = 2∏.

f(x) = f(a - x) is a different property, not periodicity.
 
voko said:
f(x) is said to be a-periodic if f(x) = f(x + a). For f(x) = sin x, this works when a = 2∏.

f(x) = f(a - x) is a different property, not periodicity.

ok so what is this property? where does it come from?
 
assaftolko said:
ok so what is this property? where does it come from?

I am not sure whether it has a special name. You could say that it comes from the definition the sine function on the unit circle. Then it is obvious that the ordinate at some angle a equals the ordinate at (∏ - a).

Another way to see this is by using the identity sin (∏ - a) = sin ∏ cos a - cos ∏ sin a = sin a, because sin ∏ = 0, and cos ∏ = -1.
 
voko said:
I am not sure whether it has a special name. You could say that it comes from the definition the sine function on the unit circle. Then it is obvious that the ordinate at some angle a equals the ordinate at (∏ - a).

Another way to see this is by using the identity sin (∏ - a) = sin ∏ cos a - cos ∏ sin a = sin a, because sin ∏ = 0, and cos ∏ = -1.

tnx a lot!
 

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