Surface integral of scalar function

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The problem involves finding the mass of a spherical surface with a radius R, where the mass density at each point is defined as the distance from that point to a fixed point on the surface. The context is rooted in vector calculus and surface integrals.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster considers converting the problem into spherical coordinates but finds the distance formula complicated. They express uncertainty about the choice of the fixed point and its implications for the setup.
  • Some participants suggest that the choice of the fixed point does not affect the outcome significantly, proposing to simplify the problem by selecting the origin as the fixed point.
  • Others point out that this choice may not be appropriate if the sphere is centered at the origin, prompting a reevaluation of the assumptions made.
  • There is a mention of a potential error in the evaluation of the integral, with one participant noting a discrepancy in the expected answer.

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Participants are navigating the constraints of the problem, including the implications of the fixed point's location and the complexity of the distance formula in spherical coordinates. There is an acknowledgment of the original poster's intent to set up the problem without seeking a complete solution.

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Homework Statement


Find the mass of a spherical surface S of radius R such that at each point (x, y, z) in S the mass density is equal to the distance of (x, y, z) to some fixed point (x_0, y_0, z_0) in S.


Homework Equations


Integral of a scalar function over a surface.

The Attempt at a Solution


I was thinking about converting this into spherical coordinates, but I see no way of doing that nicely since the distance formula would get very messy. I am also assuming they are using the euclidean distance, since this is an intro multivariable course.

I don't need help evaluating, just with getting it set up.

This is from Vector Calculus, 5e. by Marsden and Tromba, 7.5 #9.
 
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It doesn't matter what the fixed point [tex](x_0, y_0, z_0)[/tex] is, so you can make a choice that makes spherical coordinates less horrible.
 
ystael said:
It doesn't matter what the fixed point [tex](x_0, y_0, z_0)[/tex] is, so you can make a choice that makes spherical coordinates less horrible.

So basically, choose (x_0, y_0, z_0) to be 0, and using spherical coordinates, the distance is
[tex]\sqrt{(2Rsin(\phi)cos(\theta))^2 + (2Rsin(\phi)sin(\theta))^2} + (2Rcos(\phi))^2}[/tex]
= 2R.

So, [tex]\int_0^{2\pi} \int _0^\pi 2R*R^2sin(\phi) \, d\phi d\theta ?[/tex]

[tex]= 8\pi*R^3[/tex]

Edit: The answer is supposed to be (16/3)Pi*R^3, so I lost a factor of 2/3 somewhere...
 
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Well, you probably shouldn't choose [tex](x_0, y_0, z_0)[/tex] to be the origin if your sphere [tex]S[/tex] is centered at the origin. Read the question again; [tex](x_0, y_0, z_0)[/tex] is supposed to lie on [tex]S[/tex].
 
Make life easy for yourself and take [itex]\theta_0=\phi_0=0[/itex].
 
Cyosis said:
Make life easy for yourself and take [itex]\theta_0=\phi_0=0[/itex].

Wow, I made that way harder than it had to be. Thank you both, that was driving me nuts!
 

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