Surface integral to line integral

Click For Summary
SUMMARY

The forum discussion centers on the integral identity relating surface integrals to line integrals, specifically the equation: d/dt ∫∫_{g(x,y) ≤ t} f(x,y) dx dy = ∫_{g(x,y)=t} f(x,y) (1/|∇g(x,y)|) ds. Daniel seeks clarification on how to derive the line integral from the surface integral using the Heaviside step function and the properties of the Dirac delta function. The conversation highlights the importance of changing variables and calculating the Jacobian determinant to facilitate the transformation from a double integral to a line integral.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of surface and line integrals
  • Familiarity with the Heaviside step function
  • Knowledge of the Dirac delta function
  • Proficiency in calculating Jacobian determinants
NEXT STEPS
  • Study the properties of the Heaviside step function in integral calculus
  • Learn about the Dirac delta function and its applications in calculus
  • Explore variable change techniques in multivariable calculus
  • Investigate Jacobian determinants and their role in transformations
USEFUL FOR

Mathematicians, physics students, and anyone interested in advanced calculus, particularly those working with integrals in multivariable contexts.

dspch11
Messages
2
Reaction score
0
I am agonizing about the following integral identity:

<br /> \frac{d}{dt} \int \int_{g(x,y) \leq t} f(x,y) dx dy = \int_{g(x,y)=t} f(x,y) \frac{1}{\left| \nabla g(x,y) \right|} ds,<br />

where ds is the line element. Clearly, using the Heavisite step function, the condition g(x,y) \leq t is transferred into the integrand. Differentiation with respect to t yields a Dirac delta-function. However, how can I eventually arrive at the line integral. The picture is quite clear, if one imagines a domain defined by g(x,y) \leq t which is growing with t. The increase in the integral can then be evaluated by summing contributions along its circumference with \left| \nabla g(x,y) \right| giving the density of isolines.

How can one formally obtain this result?

Thank you for you help,
Daniel
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Physics news on Phys.org
Welcome to PF!

Hi Daniel! Welcome to PF! :smile:

(have a del: ∇ and an integral: ∫ and a ≤ :wink:)

Have you tried changing variables from x and y to s and g ?
 


tiny-tim said:
Have you tried changing variables from x and y to s and g ?

Is this what you suggest:

<br /> s = \int \sqrt{ 1 + (\frac{dy}{dx})^2} dx<br />

for constant g we have furthermore:

<br /> g(x,y) = t = const \Rightarrow<br /> g_x + g_y \frac{dy}{dx} = 0<br />

and, thus,

<br /> s = \int \sqrt{ 1 + (g_x/g_y)^2} dx<br />

The jacobian determinant is

<br /> J = 1/(\left| g_x s_y - g_y s_x \right|) = 1/(\left| 0 - g_y \sqrt{ 1 + (g_x/g_y)^2} \right|) = 1/(\left|\nabla g \right|)<br />

What about if \frac{dy}{dx} goes to infinity?
 
uhh? :confused:

dxdy is obviously dsdw, for some w perpendicular to g = constant …

what is that w, in terms of x y and g ? :smile:
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
3K
  • · Replies 20 ·
Replies
20
Views
4K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
1K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
3K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
3K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K