Synchronised Clocks in Motion: Einstein's Method and the Observer's Experiment

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The discussion revolves around the synchronization of clocks in a moving spaceship, exploring the implications of Einstein's method of synchronization from the perspective of an observer. It includes theoretical considerations of clock synchronization at rest and in motion, as well as comparative experiments between two spaceships.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes an experiment where an observer synchronizes four clocks at rest and then compares their times after the spaceship accelerates to a constant velocity, questioning whether the clocks will remain synchronized.
  • Another participant believes that only two of the clocks (C3 and C4) will be synchronized after the spaceship is in motion, while the other two (C1 and C2) will not be.
  • A participant introduces a second spaceship and describes a scenario where the observers in both ships can see each other's lights to determine if their clocks are synchronized, suggesting that if one ship's clocks are not synchronized, the observer can infer their motion relative to the other ship.
  • Further, the same participant adds that if the clocks in the second spaceship are not synchronized, the observer in that ship can also turn on a light to signal their state.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the clocks will remain synchronized after the spaceship accelerates, indicating a lack of consensus on the outcomes of the proposed experiments.

Contextual Notes

The discussion involves assumptions about the behavior of clocks under different conditions of motion and synchronization, which may depend on the definitions and interpretations of relativistic effects.

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Referring to Fig A

We have a spaceship in the spaceship is an observer at point D.

There is also 4 identical clocks, clock 1 (C1), clock 2 (C2), clock 3 (C3) and clock 4 (C4).

At the same point as the observer is a light so there is a light at point D as well.

The observer also has a stopwatch.

While the spaceship is on the launch pad the observer spaces the clocks so they are all equidistant from the light as measured by the observer. So the distance from D to C3 is the same distance as D to C4 which is the same as the distance D to C2 which is the same as the distance D to C1.

V is the velocity of the spaceship and the arrow denotes it direction. Both V and the direction we will say for now are unknown.

All of the clocks, lights and observers are at rest wrt the space ship.

The observer wants to perform and experiment to determine if he is moving and in what direction.

The observers will synchronise the clocks using the Einstein methods of synchronizing clocks. By emitting a flash of light and the photons from the light synchronises the clocks.

While the spaceship is on the launch pad ie assume V = 0 and direction = 0 the observer synchronises the clocks.

He then walks from clock to clock, clock1 first then clock 2 then clock 3 then clock 4. Using his stop watch he times how long it takes to walk from clock to clock. At each clock he notes the time on the clock and the time on his stop watch.

The times he gets for the four clocks are T1 for Clock 1, T2 for Clock 2, T3 for clock 3 and T4 for clock 4.

The times he gets on his stop watch when walking between D and clock 1 is tD_1
The times he gets on his stop watch when walking between clock 1 and clock 2 is t1_2
The times he gets on his stop watch when walking between clock 2 and clock 3 is t2_3
The times he gets on his stop watch when walking between clock 3 and clock 4 is t3_4

He discovers that all the clocks are synchronised ie T1 = T2 = T3 = T4

He then collects all the clocks together at point D and compares the times on each clock just by looking at them and again he discovers that all the clocks are synchronised ie T1 = T2 = T3 = T4


Then spaceship takes off and accelerates up to a constant velocity V and the observer performs exactly the same experiment as he did above. The observer doesn’t know that he is moving and doesn’t know what V is.

He walks from clock to clock same as above will the clocks be synchronised ie T1 = T2 = T3 = T4?

He then collect all the clocks together at point D and compares the times on each clock just by looking at them will the clocks be synchronised ie T1 = T2 = T3 = T4?
 

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I beleieve clocks c4 and c3 will be synchronised C2 and C1 wont
 
I add this

there is a second spaceship identical to the spaceship above well call them ship 1 and ship 2.

If spaceship 1's clocks are not synchronised the oberver in spaceship 1 turns on a light. The oberever in ship 1 can see the light in ship 2 and visa versa.

When both space ships are on the launch pad the experiment is performed. As the clocks synchronise no light is turned on

ship 1 then zooms off into spaceship 2 stays on the launch pad.

The experiment is again performed in both ships.

If ship 1's clocks don't synchronise the light is turned on in ship 1. Ship 2 sees the light in ship 1 and knows ship 1 is moving

ship 1 sees no light in ship 2 so he knows ship 2 isn't moving

ship 1 sees the light in ship 1 and he knows he is moving.
 
I further add

If the clocks in ship 2 don't synchronise then the light is turned on in ship 2
 
Since there's no question here, and since you have a history of attempting to challenge special relativity without first understanding it, I'm locking this thread.

- Warren
 

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