Teaching Myself Anti-Derivatives: A Calc II Homework Challenge

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The original poster is attempting to self-learn anti-derivatives and integration in preparation for a Calc II class. They present a problem involving finding the volume of a solid obtained by rotating a region bounded by specific curves around the x-axis.

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  • Participants discuss the correct formulation of the volume integral, questioning the use of variables and the setup of the integral. There is exploration of the anti-derivative process and the application of the fundamental theorem of calculus.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering guidance on the correct interpretation of the volume calculation and the use of anti-derivatives. There is recognition of the need to clarify the relationship between the radius and the function being integrated, with some participants suggesting corrections to the original setup.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the integration limits and the variables used in the volume formula. The original poster has expressed uncertainty about their understanding of anti-derivatives, which is a key aspect of the problem.

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I’ve dropped my Calc II class because my Calc I class, which I took at the community college, never covered anti-derivatives, and my Calc II class started off assuming you already knew anti-derivatives and integration.

So now I have the fun task of teaching myself anti-derivatives and integration so I can take Calc II again next semester. So I might as well attempt the problems given as homework to the Calc II class. But unlike the homework, I’m going to choose the odd numbered problems so I can check my answers.

Q. Find the volume of the solid obtained by rotating the region bounded by the given curves about the specified line. [tex] y = x^2 ,\,\,x = 1,\,\,y = 0;\,[/tex]about the x-axis.

After drawing it, I came up with
[tex] \begin{array}{l}<br /> v = \sum\limits_0^1 {\pi r^2 } \Delta x = \pi \sum\limits_0^1 {r^2 } \Delta x \\ <br /> \\ <br /> v = \pi \int\limits_0^1 {r^2 ,\,dx} \\ <br /> \end{array}[/tex]

Now here’s where my lack of anti-derivative skills hurt me. What do I do next? To get the anti-derivative of r squared, do I add 1 to the exponent and divide the whole thing by the new exponent? Should I get [tex] \pi \frac{{r^3 }}{3}[/tex]? If so, how do I apply this new formula to get an answer? My integral goes from 0 to 1. How do I get from here to the final answer of [tex] \pi /5[/tex]?
 
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Remember what an anti derivative is. This will help you check yourself.

example)

[tex]\int x^4 \,\, dx = \frac{1}{5}\,x^5 + C[/tex]

Now differentiate it.

[tex]\frac{d(\int x^4 \,\, dx)}{dx} = \frac{d(\frac{1}{5}\,x^5 + C)}{dx} = \frac{1}{5} \, \left( \frac{d(x^5)}{dx} + \frac{d(C)}{dx}\right) = \frac{1}{5} \, 5x^4 + 0[/tex]

... hmmm I just noticed you put
[tex] v = \pi \int\limits_0^1 {r^2 ,\,dx} [/tex]

Did you mean for the [itex]r^2[/itex]?
 
To get the volume, I'm adding up all the areas of the slices of the shape. They'll form disks with a thickness of delta x when rotated about the x-axis, so for the area I want to do pi r squared. Since radius of each slice would be y(x), I should have put x2 there instead of r2, especially since I put dx.
[tex]v = \pi \int\limits_0^1 {x^2 ,\,dx}[/tex]
 
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Ok, well:

[tex]\pi \int x^2 \, dx = \pi \frac{x^3}{3} [/itex]<br /> (setting the constant equal to 0)<br /> <br /> [tex]\pi \int_a^b x^2 \, dx = \pi \left( \frac{b^3}{3} - \frac{a^3}{3} \right)[/tex][/tex]
 
Or maybe I meant
[tex]v = \pi \int\limits_0^1 {(r^2) ,\,dx}[/tex]
give me a few minutes to think about this.
edit ^^ my tex didn't do what I wanted it to do
 
[tex] \begin{array}{l}<br /> v = \pi \int\limits_0^1 {\left( {x^2 } \right)^2 \,,\,dx} \\ <br /> v = \pi \int\limits_0^1 {x^4 \,,\,dx} \\ <br /> v = \pi \frac{{x^5 }}{5} \\ <br /> v = \frac{{\pi x^5 }}{5} \\ <br /> \end{array}[/tex]

So if I plug in 1 for x, I get the same answer as the back of the book. What would I have done if the integration went from 2 to 3 instead of 0 to 1? Do I subtract these numbers and plug it in the formula?
 
Let's say you have a general function (that's integrable) [itex]f(x)[/itex]

Let the antiderivative equal [itex]F(x)[/itex].

Thus,

[tex]F(x) = \int f(x) \, dx [/itex]<br /> <br /> [itex]F(x)[/itex] is called an indefinite integral.<br /> <br /> If you were to evaluate this integral (as a definite integral), you would have. <br /> <br /> [tex]\int_a^b f(x) \, dx =F(b) - F(a)[/tex]<br /> <br /> This is the first fundamental http://mathworld.wolfram.com/FirstFundamentalTheoremofCalculus.html" of calculus.<br /> <br /> This answers your question in general.<br /> <br /> But to answer your question specifically.<br /> <br /> You asked, what if I integrate from 2 to 3 instead.<br /> <br /> [tex]\pi \int_2^3 x^4 \, dx[/tex]<br /> <br /> From the first fundamental theorem.<br /> [tex]\int_a^b f(x) \, dx =F(b) - F(a)[/tex]<br /> [tex]a = 2[/tex]<br /> [tex]b = 3[/tex]<br /> [tex]f(x) = x^4[/tex]<br /> <br /> Now we have to find [itex]F(x)[/itex]<br /> [tex]F(x) = \int x^4 \, dx = \frac{x^5}{5} + C[/tex]<br /> <br /> Now plugging in a, b<br /> [tex]F(b) = F(3) = \frac{3^5}{5} + C[/tex]<br /> [tex]F(a) = F(2) = \frac{2^5}{5} + C[/tex]<br /> <br /> Finally [itex]F(b) - F(a)[/itex] is equal to:<br /> [tex]\left(\frac{3^5}{5} + C \right) - \left( \frac{2^5}{5} + C \right)[/tex]<br /> <br /> Notice that the constant is dropped.<br /> Also note that this was multiplied by [itex]\pi[/itex] ![/tex]
 
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Just practice some.

You can check your work with,
http://integrals.wolfram.com/index.jsp

Here is a good free calculus book.
http://ocw.mit.edu/ans7870/resources/Strang/strangtext.htm

You can read up on integrals there.
 
tony - you're going a bit wrong bringing the r into play.

For solids of revolution, you just need the curves y=f(x).

Sketch these curves first.

You can then apply the formula:

[tex]V=\pi\int_0^1f(x)^2dx[/tex]
 
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Thank you FrogPad for your help and for the links.

And Thanks J77. I figured that out that I needed to replace r with the function that gives me r, and it must be in terms of x.
 

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