Tension of wire attached to 45-kg ball.

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The discussion focuses on calculating the tension in a wire supporting a 45-kg ball against a vertical frictionless wall. The user initially calculated the tension as 521.8 N but found a discrepancy with the book's answer of 470 N. The error was identified in the geometry of the triangle formed by the ball and the wire, specifically in the application of the Pythagorean theorem. The correct hypotenuse length should include the radius of the ball, leading to the accurate calculation of tension.

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Homework Statement


"A solid uniform 45-kg ball of diameter 32cm is supported against a vertical frictionless wall using a thin 30cm wire of negligible mass.

A)Make a free body diagram for the ball and use it to find the tension in the wire.
B)How hard does the ball push against the wall?[/B]

Homework Equations


##\sum(Fx) = 0##
##\sum(Fy) = 0##
##a^2 + b^2 = c^2##
[/B]

The Attempt at a Solution


k7Npvhc.jpg

There is a picture of the situation.Here is another picture of my free body diagram.
WJJzm9A.jpg


Now, using the equilibrium equations, I got ##\sum(Fy) = -441.45 + TSinθ = 0##
So, ##Tsinθ = 441.45## (Newtons).

Now for the x components.
##\sum(Fx) = Tcosθ - N = 0##

So, ##Tcosθ = N##

Now I need to figure out what the angle is. The diameter of the sphere is 32cm, so the radius must be 16cm. The length of the wire is 30cm. I used the pythagorean theorem to find the height from the sphere to the wire.

##16^2 + b^2 = 30^2##
##256 + b^2 = 900##
##b^2 = 644##
##b = 25.38##

Now ##\arcsin(25.38/30) = 57.78 degrees##

This is where I start to have trouble. I figured I would find T by plugging that angle into ##Tsinθ = 441.45## and solving for T. This gave me an answer of 521.8 N. When I check the back of the book, the answer is actually 470 Newtons.

Any help?
 
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BlueQuark said:

Homework Statement


"A solid uniform 45-kg ball of diameter 32cm is supported against a vertical frictionless wall using a thin 30cm wire of negligible mass.

A)Make a free body diagram for the ball and use it to find the tension in the wire.
B)How hard does the ball push against the wall?[/B]

Homework Equations


##\sum(Fx) = 0##
##\sum(Fy) = 0##
##a^2 + b^2 = c^2##
[/B]

The Attempt at a Solution


k7Npvhc.jpg

There is a picture of the situation.Here is another picture of my free body diagram.
WJJzm9A.jpg


Now, using the equilibrium equations, I got ##\sum(Fy) = -441.45 + TSinθ = 0##
So, ##Tsinθ = 441.45## (Newtons).

Now for the x components.
##\sum(Fx) = Tcosθ - N = 0##

So, ##Tcosθ = N##

So far, so good.
Now I need to figure out what the angle is. The diameter of the sphere is 32cm, so the radius must be 16cm. The length of the wire is 30cm. I used the pythagorean theorem to find the height from the sphere to the wire.

##16^2 + b^2 = 30^2##
##256 + b^2 = 900##
##b^2 = 644##
##b = 25.38##

Now ##\arcsin(25.38/30) = 57.78 degrees##

This is where everything comes apart.

You should make a detailed sketch of the triangle you are trying to solve. Even looking at the picture from the book should give you a hint that your first equation,
##16^2 + b^2 = 30^2##
is wrong.

Take another close look at the geometry of the sphere and see if you can't come up with a different (and correct) relationship.
 
SteamKing said:
So far, so good.This is where everything comes apart.

You should make a detailed sketch of the triangle you are trying to solve. Even looking at the picture from the book should give you a hint that your first equation,
##16^2 + b^2 = 30^2##
is wrong.

Take another close look at the geometry of the sphere and see if you can't come up with a different (and correct) relationship.

Okay, I looked and found the mistake. The 30 cm hypotenuse only went from the top to the center of the ball. I should have added an extra 16 cm to it to go through the entire sphere. I got the right answer. Thank you for your help!
 

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