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News Terror murder in London

  1. May 22, 2013 #1

    Ryan_m_b

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    This is barbaric. Two men attacked a third in broad daylight with knives before demanding witnesses film them so they could shout political messages. They were later shot by police (though apparently they are both alive in hospital) and the government is treating this as a terrorist incident.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22630303

    The above link contains a shocking video of one of the men
     
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  3. May 22, 2013 #2

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    This is absolutely horrifying. ITV has an even more disturbing video. I really hope it isn't the start of something bigger, though since COBRA has been convened, the government presumably think it is.

    My thoughts go out to the family of that man, and anyone who had to witness that disgusting act.
     
  4. May 22, 2013 #3
    Surreal to watch the video of the man with knives and bloody hands. Doesn't really look sketch. Troubling.
     
  5. May 22, 2013 #4

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    I find it bizarre that people were filming it and standing in a crowd doing nothing, there was even a lady with a grocery stroller walking into the scene. Unfortunately people get murdered every day, all of those acts are senseless. This act is particularly gruesome, since it took place during the day in a public area. Similar to Theo van Gogh who was also slain on the street:
     
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  6. May 22, 2013 #5

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    I thought that as well but I guess after the murder is done people thought it would be best to wait for the police and capture evidence.
     
  7. May 22, 2013 #6

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    The world is such a scary place, beyond my comprehension. I don't even know what to expect anymore but it's hard to have any faith left in society when things like this are so commonplace. My condolences to the family of the poor man who was killed.
     
  8. May 22, 2013 #7
    The perpetrators don't flee the scene, they want attention! The media will give it to them.

    I wouldn't be surprised if such explicit, round the clock reporting of events like these doesn't increase the likelihood of them occurring again.
     
  9. May 22, 2013 #8

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    I heard from several sources they asked people to record them, and some people did. Gotta be honest, if I just witnessed some crazed wackos doing what they did, I'd probably comply with what they asked, too.

    I like Cameron's response:

    Hear, hear.
     
  10. May 22, 2013 #9

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    I'm scared of the world.I wish I could just relax and enjoy it's beauty.There's always some assholes to remind me of how scary this place is.What the hell is this?
     
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  11. May 23, 2013 #10
    If you feel that way then the terrorists have succeeded in their goal with you. That is their objective - immobilize the "enemy" through fear.( as they themselves perceive an enemy in their minds that are twisted all to hell, and if they do not have an enemy they will make one up ).

    Be wise and temper your fear and go out and enjoy the wonder of the world.
     
  12. May 23, 2013 #11

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    The attention that the event receives, gives a false impression of the danger. How many people are harmed by traffic accidents each day in London? Statistics of 2011: 80 casualties a day of which 7 with serious injuries and every other day a fatality. I'm happy that I live somewhere that's relatively safe, compared to countries that face these actions on a regular basis.
     
  13. May 23, 2013 #12

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    You've hit the nail on the head Monique. Newspapers also rely on this phenomenon of poor risk evaluation. The UK is pretty peaceful, last year there were 550 murders which sounds a lot but in a nation of 65 million that's one murder every ~120,000 people. The chance of death by motor accident is 6 times higher but we still get in cars every day.

    Even though crime rates have been dropping for years the perception of crime seems to rise. As a counter terrorism strategy I don't know why this risk perception phenomenon isn't tackled more by the government.
     
  14. May 23, 2013 #13
    It isn't tackled because we need the government, lots of it, to keep us safe from all the danger that surrounds us. Be afraid....be VERY afraid...
     
  15. May 23, 2013 #14

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    This reminds me of a quote that I can only paraphrase... It's funny that when a company tweaks their formula to make your clothes 10% cleaner they spend a billion dollars making sure everyone knows, but when government policy helps crime rates drop for twenty years there is essentially no advertising of this fact.

    I think a lot of it is a failure of our political system.. In theory if your policies are beneficial you should be pushing that, but we rarely see commercials from political parties espousing basic improvements to life... They're mostly limited to attack ads and hot button issues. And I guess that's really the public's fault for responding to that kind of advertising
     
  16. May 23, 2013 #15
    The attention that events like this receive still makes sense. We accept some risk when we drive, and can minimize that by driving carefully. We don't accept the risk of being brutally murdered in the street by traitors in the clash of civilizations, and people are rightly horrified.
     
  17. May 23, 2013 #16

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    I agree, but I find other events horrifying as well (a father committing suicide, but before that killing and hiding his two young sons from their mother, a speeding driver hitting and instantly killing an elderly couple and their grandchild). The event of yesterday is very unusual so receives a lot of attention, it's not my attention to belittle it, but sometimes the perspective is lost. In response to the Boston bombing my mom said "See, that's why I don't participate in running events", but that's 3500 miles away and how often does that happen?
     
  18. May 23, 2013 #17

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    To be fair politicians constantly point out the successes and failures of policies. The problem is that politicians disagree greatly on these matters because partisan democracy requires them to compete. Because of that we get spin with every issue and fairly agreement across parties.

    Also I don't think it's fair to blame the public for responding to advertisement. That entire industry is devoted to learning new and intelligent ways of convincing people of something. Even the most astute and wary of us still fall for it in areas without realising.

    Emphasis mine, either you are misusing this term or you have fallen victim to racist justifying nonsense.
     
  19. May 23, 2013 #18

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    Unfortunately, being in the US, I'm a bit numb to a single murder. But I understand that this kind of violence is perhaps not as common there. I was watching a news clip about this yesterday where a witness kept saying over and over "he had a handgun, a handgun, he pulled out a handgun". I wish I lived in a country where someone having a handgun was shocking.

    Let's hope this was just two lone lunatics and an isolated event.
     
  20. May 23, 2013 #19
    Get out of US, then.
     
  21. May 23, 2013 #20

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    I'd rather the US became less violent.
     
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