CubeX, there are a few objections here - i haven't been on for a while, i do not have access to the internet a lot... so as for your 'no responce' qualm, i apolagise... but let's delve into these a little shall we...
Originally posted by CubeX
Jesus did take on human form. While taking on this human form, He fully became man. The miracles performed were given to Him by the power of God. Like I said though, physics do not limit God. So why couldn't He have more than one "life force" (if you will,- for lack of a better word)? Now, this here is all in theory, but, Jesus applied to the physics of the physical world while in human form while God (the Father) still did not due to His not being of human form.
As far as Jesus claiming he was God - still that's not a problem. He inheritied all of Gods titles during his preachings, and he could call himself God easily as he was Gods representive on earth. manifestaion, if you will. Thats why it was also told to the people in Israel in the Old Testemont that they were all Gods - as they chose to show the charactors that God liked, and do the things that represented God like behaviour.
-Huh? You'd have to point out the referrence to me about that. I've never heard that.
If Jesus and God are the same, and they are equal, then how can Jesus hand the kingdom over to God, and then be rulled over by him after the 1000 years of the kingdom?
-Huh? Please explain the kingdom thing a little more, and please show me the passage about the 1000 yrs. I think that's just a misinterpretation of Rev.
You can't have one equal part being reigned over by another equal part.
-If the law didn't apply...
**COMMENT**
- Isn't it hard to even think about what it would be like to not apply to scientific laws, physics, etc? Man, I can't even begin to imagine!
-CubeX
1. You claim that Jesus simply took on human form, and used gods power to perform his miricales. You also claim that Physics cannot limit Gods power.
In responce to Jesus taking on human form... and becoming fully human till he died... God can break off a part of him, turn it human, that human part is now named Jesus, and can die, although the soul is actully God? If this is what you are saying, then it not physics that God is defining Logic. and God cannot defy logic.
This is a philosophy of religion agrument that the christains put up in defence to agrguments against Gods nature, especily concerning his omnipotence - "God cannot be omnipotent, how can he create an unlifable rock, and then lift it' or "God can't create a square circle". God does not need to defy logic in order to be omnipotent. Infact, there is nothing to suggest that God can break logic. and the scenario you suggest is simply unlogical. especily when there is no need for it to become so complex.
I guess my argument against this is simply along an occoms razor kind of one... if there is a GOd, why make him so complex? Why can't jesus simply be his son, born in flash, and then after being rased from the dead rule at his right hand? why does he have to be part of an explaniable, unlogical trynaty idea that also personifys the holy spirit? you yourself have argued that the holy spirit is simply Gods power. so how can that be a personified part of a 3 in one tryinaty ideal? If you can show me a logical way to explain the fact that jesus died, without going into the whole "it was his soul that survived, and God does not need to obey physics" explanation, then i may have somthing to object to. The way yopu have described the scenario so far is completely meaningless, and you can't discuss it at all, if every time you are faced with a pronbelm you claim that it dosent apply to God as he is simply above such contingent universal features such as physics and logic.
I am not suprised you have not heard of the qoutes of Jesus simply inheriting the titles of God, or the quote on all the israelites being told they were "Gods". this is not the sort of thing that churches usually preach or talk about at all. they don't want you to know stuff like that, cause then you would start to quetion things like the trinity, and since that has become such a grounded part of christianaty in the last few humdred years (yes, they had never heard of the trinity till the council made it up in 450AD) to question the trinity, or even ask for sourses, or even if you rased the point i will raise to your pasters mean church death. I have been throwen out of every church you can name for asking questions about these supposivly unknown passages. The people whop teach you are not interested in the truth or discuission. they don't throw people out for asking sencible bible related religious questions becasue they are knoweldge seekers.
For your last point that talked about the kingdom, and how jesus will hand the kingdom over to God at the end of 1000 years... I will have to wait till next post to give you the exact sections in which to look (i will get them to you, i want to show this to you, its important)
but basicly the kingdom scenario is such ( I have an extended version in the "end of the world" thread if you wish to find it there)
After Jesus died, he took over looking over the world. It has become Jesus's job to prepare the Earth for the coming of the kingdom, to put the kingdom in place (the 'end of days' scenario, and the kingdom that will be after the end of all that we have known so far etc) and he will rule over this kingdom for 1000 years. during this time, Jesus will defeate all adversaries, and the last that he will dystroy is death. after this time, he will hand the kingdom over to God, and he will be ruled over by him. And i restate, you cannot have one part of you rulling over the other part of you. Your comment on how hard it is to imagine things outside the laws of physics, well, of course it is because we have no experience of this. and God does not need to work out side of physics. it is not all a mystery. it may be that God has given us a book full of these amazing mystical wonderings that we caanot understand but must follow blindly, but this seems to be somthing that is agaist every concept with in the bible. I will get those quotes from you. and i highly suggest that you go and show them to your teachers and see what they have to say...
I am after the truth, and discussion, not the blind ignorance of people who wish to believe that everything they have been told about the bible is true...
