The Advent of Color

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All wrong. Do re mi is not assigned to any notes. It can be sung in any key. It's merely a template. To say it goes with the "fundamental notes" is pure idiocy. Also, the sharps and flats WERE NOT added later. Where in the hell did you here that?
your music history seems off. guido invented do-re-mi... to correlate with the first tone in each of 6 songs tributed to saint john, each tone corresponds the the major scale. do-re-mi can be sung in any key, yet it was invented for use in the diatonic scale. and yes sharps were not added later into music, i was merely commenting on how we still use guido system slightly modified to include all semi-tones.

WTF????? Who in the hell ever told you the guitar is diatonic. I've played guitar for 9 years. Please apoligize for such an INCORRECT statement.
another uneducated responce. the guitar is simply the only instrument i can think of that still uses diatonic tuning, steel guitarists(jerry byrd) can vouch for this. i never said that every guitarist uses diatonic tuning, your responce is pure ignorance.


this all started when you claimed a 7-note scale doesn't exist, this is false, the diatonic scale surely exists. don't even try to make up a new definition of a scale just to suit your misguided idea, you were wrong.
 
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LogicalAtheist

Hazzy - Just leave the forums man, no one wants you here.

"another uneducated responce. the guitar is simply the only instrument i can think of that still uses diatonic tuning, steel guitarists(jerry byrd) can vouch for this. i never said that every guitarist uses diatonic tuning, your responce is pure ignorance."

NO? The tuning of a guitar has NOTHING to do with it being chromatic.
THE FRETS OF A GUITAR DETERMIN WEATHER IT IS DIATONIC OR CHROMATIC.

NOT THE TUNING. What the hell is the matter with you man? A guitar is chromatic even if it has ONE STRING AND ITS TUNED TO ANY POSSIBLE PITCH.

DOn't make up crap just to suit your world. Leave the forums, go somewhere else.

Don't make up this crap.

I repeat: There's no such thing in western music as a 7 note scale. Western music is defined by the 12 note scale. ALL western music and most non-western music uses ONLY THIS 12 NOTE SCALE REPEATED IN OCTAVES.

THAT IS THE ONLY SCALE THERE IS. Leave the forums, you're spreading misinformation to suit your little world.
 
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Let me repeat. There is NO musical scale with seven notes. Non exists out of all musical scales developed by all groups of people in the world. Aside from weird scales developed in the past 20 years.
there IS a seven note scale and although it’s not used today it still did exist, and may I add that it wasn’t even close to have been developed within 20 years. This was the beginning of a long, pointless argument, but you were still wrong.

NO? The tuning of a guitar has NOTHING to do with it being chromatic.
THE FRETS OF A GUITAR DETERMIN WEATHER IT IS DIATONIC OR CHROMATIC.
I never said the guitar itself was diatonic… I said the tuning was. We were speaking of the use of the diatonic scale and the only use in recent history I could think of was the steel guitar.


Anyways what’s your problem? Have you just realized that you’re not always right? You can keep pointing out little mistakes that I’ve made, but geez, stop desperately trying to cover up your own.

Also why should I leave? Because I don’t agree with you when you’re wrong? I don’t think that qualifies as a reason to leave a forum.

Sorry bud, but you just need to calm down.
 
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tuning CANNOT BE DIATONIC.

DIATONIC IS A TERM USED FOR DEFINING A SERIES OF PITCH INTERVALS.

that's like saying a rock is fast, or a house is loud.

It makes no sense. I will not allow such misinformation to continue.
 
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How many notes in the musical scale?

I think do, re, mi will do just fine for the sake of an example. Does anybody care? It sure doesn't look like it. Maybe you guys can start another thread in the General Discussion forum? Matter of fact I just saved you the trouble. Please follow the link below ...

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2222
 
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Alexander

Iac, here is how colors are defined in terms of wavelength of e/m radiation: 420 nm = volet, 470 nm = blue, 500 nm = turquose, 540 nm = green, 570 nm = yellow, 610 nm = orange, 650 nm = red (all to +/- 20 nm because different people call "red" to different wavelengths). Notice lack of white in the middle (contrary to your color scale) because white is not a color.

So, based on what physical property of colors did you assign certain numbers to certain colors? And why did white happen to also be a color?
 
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Originally posted by Alexander
Iac, here is how colors are defined in terms of wavelength of e/m radiation: 420 nm = volet, 470 nm = blue, 500 nm = turquose, 540 nm = green, 570 nm = yellow, 610 nm = orange, 650 nm = red (all to +/- 20 nm because different people call "red" to different wavelengths). Notice lack of white in the middle (contrary to your color scale) because white is not a color.

So, based on what physical property of colors did you assign certain numbers to certain colors? And why did white happen to also be a color?
Well because I took art throughout school and was introduced to the color wheel, and I understood there were the six basic colors, with all the gradations in between. I also understood that the infra-red spectrum occurred before the ultra-violet spectrum, and that the visible spectrum (white light?) existed in between. Therefore I naturally concluded that the visible light spectrum should begin with red and end with violet. Also, if you were to look at the picture below (follow the link), and imagined the six outer colors as lights shining in the center, then the center would indeed be white ... I also needed to come up with a universal relationship between the numbers 6 and 7 (in accord with the seven spirits of God at the https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=429"), and this seemed to do the trick.

Anything else you would like to know? There are a lot more things that I do with numbers, colors, symbolism and their relationships.

http://www.dionysus.org/7_colors.html
 
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Alexander

On WHAT ground did YOU assign number "7" to 420 nm wavelength (violet), number "6" to 470 nm = (blue), then NO number to 500 nm (=turquose), "5" to 540 nm (green), then you saddenly miss the number "4" (?!) assigning at will this number to the mixture of all wavewlengths altogether, then "3" to 570 nm (yellow), then "2" to 610 nm (orange), and then "1" to 650 nm (=red)? Any mathematical function, or you just decided to spread numbers at your peronal taste/ feelings?

Also, what was the reason to leave wide hole in the spectrum (where turquose is) and what was the reason to exclude number "4"? And what was the reason to assign the number "4" not to specific color (wavelength) but to the mixture of all colors?

And why after non-mathematical assigment of numbers to colors you still use arithmetic (math) to combine them?

And what does 37x12=444 mean exactly in your color notation? What is "37" here, what is "444" and what do "x" and "=" mean?
 
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LogicalAtheist

Alex - Like I said man, the world becomes bent around the emotionally driven outcome. ALL must somehow fit into what one so emotionally needs to be true. Sad, is it not?


Originally posted by Alexander
On WHAT ground did YOU assign number "7" to 420 nm wavelength (violet), number "6" to 470 nm = (blue), then NO number to 500 nm (=turquose), "5" to 540 nm (green), then you saddenly miss the number "4" (?!) assigning at will this number to the mixture of all wavewlengths altogether, then "3" to 570 nm (yellow), then "2" to 610 nm (orange), and then "1" to 650 nm (=red)? Any mathematical function, or you just decided to spread numbers at your peronal taste/ feelings?

Also, what was the reason to leave wide hole in the spectrum (where turquose is) and what was the reason to exclude number "4"? And what was the reason to assign the number "4" not to specific color (wavelength) but to the mixture of all colors?

And why after non-mathematical assigment of numbers to colors you still use arithmetic (math) to combine them?

And what does 37x12=444 mean exactly in your color notation? What is "37" here, what is "444" and what do "x" and "=" mean?
 
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Originally posted by Alexander
On WHAT ground did YOU assign number "7" to 420 nm wavelength (violet), number "6" to 470 nm = (blue), then NO number to 500 nm (=turquose), "5" to 540 nm (green), then you saddenly miss the number "4" (?!) assigning at will this number to the mixture of all wavewlengths altogether, then "3" to 570 nm (yellow), then "2" to 610 nm (orange), and then "1" to 650 nm (=red)? Any mathematical function, or you just decided to spread numbers at your peronal taste/ feelings?
In school they teach you there are three "primary" colors (red, yellow, blue) and three "secondary" colors (orange, green, violet). Now these are "pigmented colors," as opposed to "colors of light," which I suppose can make a difference? Nonetheless this is how I derived the six basic colors. From there it was an educated guess (per what I said in the previous post) as to what color I should assign to number 1.


Also, what was the reason to leave wide hole in the spectrum (where turquose is) and what was the reason to exclude number "4"? And what was the reason to assign the number "4" not to specific color (wavelength) but to the mixture of all colors?
As I said the six "basic colors" had already been determined (had no idea about turquoise) ... Also, are you familiar with the Jewish Menorah? ... i.e., the older version with seven branches? I was trying to develop a relationship between this and the Star of David (i.e., hexagram), and figure out how to incorporate the number seven (seven branches of the Menorah) into both schemes. Anyway the number "4" is in the center of the Menorah and yet, there are only six colors which can be assigned to Star of David, therefore the only way to add a seventh aspect would be to its center (as in the Menorah). And, since the six colors has already been determined, it only made sense that the center be white, and hence the central color scheme itself -- "white light." This also makes sense in that the stand of the Menorah is the center as well as the "4th aspect." If you follow the link below you might get a better idea.

http://www.dionysus.org/cover.gif


And why after non-mathematical assigment of numbers to colors you still use arithmetic (math) to combine them?
The numbers help to illustrate the symmetry between the Menorah and the Star of David, and that indeed the "4th aspect" belongs in the center (of each).


And what does 37x12=444 mean exactly in your color notation? What is "37" here, what is "444" and what do "x" and "=" mean?
After determining the number values for yellow (3) and violet (7), I realized that it corresponded to this meditation phenomenon that I relate at the https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=429", as illustrated by my avatar to the left. Beyond that, I don't know that there's much else to say ... except that it helps illustrate the "spherical" relationship between the symbols, colors, numbers and the meditation technique. If you would like to read more please follow the link ...

http://www.dionysus.org/x0009.html
 
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LogicalAtheist

See now Alex? Without reading Iacchus32's post, I know just what he said!

The world becomes bent around the emotionally driven outcome. ALL must somehow fit into what one so emotionally needs to be true. Sad, is it not?
 
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Originally posted by LogicalAtheist
See now Alex? Without reading Iacchus32's post, I know just what he said!

The world becomes bent around the emotionally driven outcome. ALL must somehow fit into what one so emotionally needs to be true. Sad, is it not?
Life was meant for living man ... not overanalyzed to every single last detail. So what gives? I thought you said you were going to stop spamming my posts?
 
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LogicalAtheist

You said it yourself man, your little theory involves you picking numbers for colors with no reasoning.

And then you're applying this PseudoScience to reality?

Come on now man, you MUST be able to see how flaw-filled your idea is?

I'm scared if you cannot!
 
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Originally posted by LogicalAtheist
You said it yourself man, your little theory involves you picking numbers for colors with no reasoning.

And then you're applying this PseudoScience to reality?

Come on now man, you MUST be able to see how flaw-filled your idea is?

I'm scared if you cannot!
If it makes you happy to believe all of this then go ahead. But don't bother to ask for my reply.
 
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Alexander

Originally posted by LogicalAtheist

The world becomes bent around the emotionally driven outcome.

And also around emotionally driven income (from pockets of ignorant buyers).
 
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Originally posted by Alexander
And also around emotionally driven income (from pockets of ignorant buyers).
I did answer your previous post by the way, in case you're interested. I don't know what it is about LocalAtheist's appeal? ... but I realize some of us are more easily influenced by spam than others. I'll make it easier on you though and repost it below, so it won't be necessary to flip back to the previous page. Now how's that for service! ... And I'll even throw in a couple of smiles at no charge! :smile: :wink:
 
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Originally posted by Alexander
On WHAT ground did YOU assign number "7" to 420 nm wavelength (violet), number "6" to 470 nm = (blue), then NO number to 500 nm (=turquose), "5" to 540 nm (green), then you saddenly miss the number "4" (?!) assigning at will this number to the mixture of all wavewlengths altogether, then "3" to 570 nm (yellow), then "2" to 610 nm (orange), and then "1" to 650 nm (=red)? Any mathematical function, or you just decided to spread numbers at your peronal taste/ feelings?
In school they teach you there are three "primary" colors (red, yellow, blue) and three "secondary" colors (orange, green, violet). Now these are "pigmented colors," as opposed to "colors of light," which I suppose can make a difference? Nonetheless this is how I derived the six basic colors. From there it was an educated guess (per what I said in the previous post) as to what color I should assign to number 1.


Also, what was the reason to leave wide hole in the spectrum (where turquose is) and what was the reason to exclude number "4"? And what was the reason to assign the number "4" not to specific color (wavelength) but to the mixture of all colors?
As I said the six "basic colors" had already been determined (had no idea about turquoise) ... Also, are you familiar with the Jewish Menorah? ... i.e., the older version with seven branches? I was trying to develop a relationship between this and the Star of David (i.e., hexagram), and figure out how to incorporate the number seven (seven branches of the Menorah) into both schemes. Anyway the number "4" is in the center of the Menorah and yet, there are only six colors which can be assigned to Star of David, therefore the only way to add a seventh aspect would be to its center (as in the Menorah). And, since the six colors has already been determined, it only made sense that the center be white, and hence the central color scheme itself -- "white light." This also makes sense in that the stand of the Menorah is the center as well as the "4th aspect." If you follow the link below you might get a better idea.

http://www.dionysus.org/cover.gif


And why after non-mathematical assigment of numbers to colors you still use arithmetic (math) to combine them?
The numbers help to illustrate the symmetry between the Menorah and the Star of David, and that indeed the "4th aspect" belongs in the center (of each).


And what does 37x12=444 mean exactly in your color notation? What is "37" here, what is "444" and what do "x" and "=" mean?
After determining the number values for yellow (3) and violet (7), I realized that it corresponded to this meditation phenomenon that I relate at the https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=429", as illustrated by my avatar to the left. Beyond that, I don't know that there's much else to say ... except that it helps illustrate the "spherical" relationship between the symbols, colors, numbers and the meditation technique. If you would like to read more please follow the link ...

http://www.dionysus.org/x0009.html
 
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Alexander

Does anyone actually buy your "book"?
 
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Originally posted by Alexander
Does anyone actually buy your "book"?
No. Is the book complete? No. Have I made any money from the sales of the book? No. Have I tried to get people to buy the book? No, it needs work. Have I put too much of my time, resources and money into the book? You bet! Do I care anymore? Not much!

I've spent over ten years working on the book and webpage, and thousands of dollars and thousands of hours. At some point I need to get back to it though, and stop spending so much time on Physics Forums.
 
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Alexander

Noooooo, don't do that! Stay here - this is a nice place to learn, I like it. Mythology is dying anyway (as education is getting better), and there is plenty of competition there to make money on ignorant public. Not easy bread.

Look at those religion sunday shows on TV - it takes to be a strong maniac caring about nothing but profits - and with good acting talent - to make money on fooling people. It is a tough job.
 
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Originally posted by Alexander
Noooooo, don't do that! Stay here - this is a nice place to learn, I like it. Mythology is dying anyway (as education is getting better), and there is plenty of competition there to make money on ignorant public. Not easy bread.

Look at those religion sunday shows on TV - it takes to be a strong maniac caring about nothing but profits - and with good acting talent - to make money on fooling people. It is a tough job.
If anybody is fooled, it must be me. I'm the only one who's put any money into it.
 

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