The Difference Between Log and Ln

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The discussion centers on the differences between logarithmic functions, specifically the terms "log" and "ln." Participants explore the definitions, bases, and contexts in which these logarithms are used, touching on theoretical and practical implications.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that "log" typically refers to log base 10, while "ln" specifically denotes log base e.
  • One participant presents mathematical expressions to illustrate the relationship between ln and log, stating that ln(x) = log_e(x) and log(x) = log_{10}(x).
  • Another participant describes the common logarithm as the inverse function of 10^x, while the natural logarithm is the inverse of e^x, highlighting their respective properties.
  • Some participants mention that "lg" is used to denote log base 2, but there is variability in its usage.
  • There is a suggestion that in higher mathematics, "log" often denotes the natural logarithm, with context providing clarity.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty, stating that there are no strict rules governing the use of "log," which can vary based on context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definitions and contexts of "log" and "ln," indicating that multiple competing interpretations exist without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on context for determining the base of logarithms and the lack of universally accepted definitions across different fields.

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Both are logarithms, what is the difference between log and ln?
 
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basty said:
Both are logarithms, what is the difference between log and ln?
The base being used. log usually (but not always) means log10. ln always means loge.

Occasionally, in computer science texts, log is used to mean log2.
 
$$lnx=log_ex$$
so that:
$$ln(e)=1$$
and
$$log(x)=log_{10}x$$
so that
$$log(10)=1$$
 
They way you are using it, log(x), or "common logarithm" is the inverse function to 10^x. That is, if y= log(x)= log_{10}(x) then x= 10^y. ln(x), the "natural logarithm", is the inverse function to e^x ("e" is an irrational number, approximately 2.718...). If y= ln(x) then x= e^y. The common logarithm is used because our number system is base 10 so it is relatively easy to tabulate: log_{10}(3.00\times 10^5)= 5+ log_{10}(3.00) so that it is sufficient to tabulate logarithms for 1 to 10.

While "e" is a rather peculiar number, it has some nice "Calculus" properties. For example, if y= e^x the "instantaneous rate of change" of y, as x changes, is again e^x which means that the "instantaneous rate of change" of ln(x) is 1/x, a very easy function. Since the invention of "calculators", common logarithms are used a lot less so that it is becoming common to use "log(x)" to mean the "natural logarithm" as well as "ln(x)".
 
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There's also ##\lg## which denotes ##\log_2##.
 
HakimPhilo said:
There's also ##\lg## which denotes ##\log_2##.

I'm sure I've seen "lg" used for base 10 logarithm in texts where "log" means natural logarithm.
 
As far as I can tell, there's no hard and fast rule. Depending on context, I have see "log" used as log10, ln, or log2.
 
From what I understand, in higher maths, "log" denotes the natural logarithm quite frequently. It should usually be obvious from the context.
 

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