The Energy-momentum formula considering internal energy

Click For Summary
The energy-momentum relation, E_tot^2 = (pc)^2 + (m_0 c^2)^2, remains valid even when considering internal energy, such as heat, as it contributes to the total energy of the system. The rest mass m_0 is affected by internal energy, leading to an effective mass m_0' that accounts for both rest mass and added internal energy. When a system with mass m_0 is in motion and has additional internal energy, its total energy can indeed be expressed as 2m, but this requires careful consideration of the system's momentum. The discussion highlights that adding internal energy does not change the invariant mass directly but may shift energy and momentum within the system. Ultimately, the complexities of relativistic physics necessitate precise definitions and careful analysis of energy and momentum transformations.
  • #31
Sunfire said:
If we have 2 relativistic masses moving with the same velocity but having different momenta; Once brought to rest, if it turns out that they both end up as identical rest masses

This is not possible. If they have the same velocity but different momenta, they must have different rest masses.

Sunfire said:
I wanted to understand what is the role of internal energy in relativistic mass and momentum.

As has already been said several times in this thread, internal energy is part of rest mass. So it plays the same role as anything else that is part of rest mass.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
  • #32
Then how about this simple example -

Gas with rest mass ##m_0## is at rest in a stationary frame.
The gas is pressurized, adding internal energy ##m_0c^2##
The total energy becomes ##2m_0c^2##, the rest mass is ##2m_0## (##m_0## comes from its actual mass, the other ##m_0## comes from adding internal energy), the 3-momentum is zero.
This same gas moving with velocity ##v## means its total energy now is ##mc^2=\gamma \times \mbox{the rest energy of the gas} \times c^2=2\gamma m_0c^2##; the 3-momentum is ##2\gamma m_0\mathbf{v}##, the 4-momentum is ##(2\gamma m_0 c, 2 \gamma m_0 \mathbf{v})##.

Correct?
 
  • #34
PeterDonis said:
I think the OP needs to clarify exactly what physical process he is thinking of.
I think that specifying the exact physical process is certainly sufficient, but I think it is not necessary. Many different physical processes could result in the same changes.

pervect said:
What frame is the "internal energy" being added in? Adding energy in one frame may add both energy and momentum in another frame.
I think this is the key. What is added is not energy, it is four-momentum. The change in four-momentum must be specified, e.g. By specifying the frame where only energy is added.

For example, in my analysis above I assumed that only energy was added in the frame where the gas was moving at v. This could be accomplished by having it absorb a pair of opposed light pulses orthogonal to the motion. The result of that is a change in energy and not momentum.

However, even though momentum is not changing, the speed is. In the gas' frame the pulses are not orthogonal due to aberration. If you want to maintain speed then the energy must be added in the gas' frame, which will result in a change of momentum in the other frame.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
2K
  • · Replies 82 ·
3
Replies
82
Views
6K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
1K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
3K
  • · Replies 42 ·
2
Replies
42
Views
4K
  • · Replies 55 ·
2
Replies
55
Views
6K
  • · Replies 19 ·
Replies
19
Views
3K
  • · Replies 21 ·
Replies
21
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
1K
  • · Replies 47 ·
2
Replies
47
Views
5K