The height of a section of overlapping circles.

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The discussion revolves around determining the height (y) of a segment formed by the intersection of two overlapping circles, each with a radius of one. Participants explore geometric and trigonometric approaches to find this height, considering the properties of right triangles and circular segments.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the problem of finding y in terms of the overlapping section of two circles and provides the circumference calculation.
  • Another participant suggests using a right triangle formed from the center of a circle to the midpoint of y and a point of intersection, proposing that basic trigonometry and the Pythagorean theorem could be applied.
  • A later reply expresses confusion about how the triangle's midpoint relates to finding the total height y, despite acknowledging the use of trigonometric segment formulas.
  • One participant presents a calculation leading to an expression for y, concluding with the formula $$y=2-\sqrt3$$ as a potential solution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion includes multiple approaches to finding y, with some participants proposing trigonometric methods while others express uncertainty about the application of these methods. No consensus on the exact value of y is reached, as participants explore different reasoning paths.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific geometric configurations and trigonometric identities, but there are unresolved assumptions regarding the application of these concepts to the problem. The calculations presented may depend on interpretations of the geometric setup.

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Say I have two identical circles, both of radii of one, overlapping, as shown in the diagram below:

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In this diagram, x is the circumference of the circles, and the bit of the bottom circle which is drawn blue (the overlapping bit) is 1/6th of the whole circumference.

What I'm looking for is y, which is this:

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Now, working out x is easy - it's 2 \pi r, thus the overlapping bit is 1/3 \pi r. But how do I proceed in finding y from here? Help is much appreciated! Thanks!
 

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Imagine a right triangle from the centre of a circle, the midpoint of the segment y and one of the points of intersection of the circles. This triangle has hypotenuse 1 and side opposite the centre of the circle 1/2. Also, this triangle is 30-60-90. Can you use some basic trig and the Pythagorean theorem to find y?
 
Greg said:
Imagine a right triangle from the centre of a circle, the midpoint of the segment y and one of the points of intersection of the circles. This triangle has hypotenuse 1 and side opposite the centre of the circle 1/2. Also, this triangle is 30-60-90. Can you use some basic trig and the Pythagorean theorem to find y?

Although I know of trigonometry and Pythagoras, I don't see how having a point of the triangle at the midpoint of y can help me find the whole of y.

Also using some segment formulas I came up with I plugged in my values to get $$y/2=1(1-\cos ((\pi /3)/2))$$ which gives me a formula $$\approx$$ 0.133975 however this is not exact and I need an exact answer.
 
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$$\frac{y}{2}=1-\cos30=1-\frac{\sqrt3}{2}=\frac{2-\sqrt3}{2}\implies y=2-\sqrt3$$
 

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