The law of conservation of momentum

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The discussion focuses on the application of the law of conservation of momentum in a scenario where a trailer rolls away and cement falls into it. The initial momentum of the trailer is calculated, and the conservation principle is applied to determine the final speed after the cement merges with the trailer. Momentum is conserved in the horizontal direction, while the vertical momentum is affected by external forces, specifically gravity. The conversation emphasizes that the system can be viewed as a collision or a merging of two masses, reinforcing the concept of momentum conservation. Understanding these principles clarifies why the calculations yield the correct results.
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Homework Statement



a trailer with a mass of 150 kg happen to roll away with the speed 20 m/s. 450 kg cement fall staight down into the trailer! which speeds does the trailer get when the cement fall into it?

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I know how to solve it but I don't know why it works. Is it because this counts as a collision?

The Attempt at a Solution



150 * 20 = V(150+450)
 
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Where the situation is collision or merge, it satisfies
p_i = p_f.
That's it.
 
Drizzy said:
Is it because this counts as a collision?
You can think of it as a collision. Or just think of "trailer + cement" as a system whose momentum (at least horizontally) is conserved.
 
okay thanks :)
 
Drizzy said:

Homework Statement



a trailer with a mass of 150 kg happen to roll away with the speed 20 m/s. 450 kg cement fall staight down into the trailer! which speeds does the trailer get when the cement fall into it?

Homework Equations


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I know how to solve it but I don't know why it works. Is it because this counts as a collision?

The Attempt at a Solution



150 * 20 = V(150+450)

Momentum is described by a vector, because velocity is a vector. You can bilance the momenta before and after the cement fell on the trailer in two perpendicular directions (x / horizontal & y / vertical) - in both directions momentum has to be conserved.

x: mT ⋅vT1x + mC ⋅vC1x = mT ⋅vT2x + mC ⋅vC2x = 150 kg ⋅ 20 m/s + 450 kg ⋅ 0 m/s = 150 kg ⋅ vT2x + 450 kg ⋅ vC2x with T2x = vC2x

The sum of the momenta of both objects in x-direction remains the same.

y: mT ⋅vT1y + mC ⋅vC1y = mT ⋅vT2y + mC ⋅vC2y = 150 kg ⋅ 0 m/s + 450 kg ⋅ vC1y > 150 kg ⋅ 0 + 450 kg ⋅ 0 m/s

As the momenta of the two objects can't be the same, a force must have affected them - the earth. Taking into account the momentum of Earth (assuming it was standing still, when the cement hit the trailer):

y: mT ⋅vT1y + mC ⋅vC1y + mE ⋅vE1y = mT ⋅vT2y + mC ⋅vC2y + mE ⋅vE2y = 150 kg ⋅ 0 m/s + 450 kg ⋅ vC1y + 5.6 ⋅1024 kg ⋅0 m/s = 150 kg ⋅ vT2y + 450 kg ⋅ vCy2 + 5.6 ⋅1024 kg ⋅ vE2y with vT2y = vC2y = vE2y

and you can calculate what's the velocity of the Earth (+ trailer + cement), due to this collision.
 
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