The mesure of distances using the redshift

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the measurement of distances to galaxies using redshift, specifically focusing on how to determine the source wavelength necessary for calculating recessional velocity. The scope includes theoretical aspects of redshift and practical considerations in astrophysics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to know the source wavelength needed for calculating recessional velocity using the redshift formula.
  • Another participant explains that different elements have distinctive spectral lines with known wavelengths that can be measured in the lab, which can help identify the source wavelength.
  • A subsequent post reiterates the idea of distinctive spectral lines and suggests that knowledge of the elements constituting galaxies allows for the determination of source wavelengths.
  • Further, a participant emphasizes that the abundance of hydrogen and helium in the universe makes it easier to identify spectral lines, comparing them to a fingerprint or face pattern, and notes the consistency of shifts in these lines.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of distinctive spectral lines for identifying source wavelengths, but there is no consensus on the implications or completeness of this method in all contexts.

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The discussion does not address potential limitations in identifying source wavelengths for less common elements or in more distant galaxies where spectral lines may be less clear.

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Hi all,
in order to determine the recessional velocity of same galaxy we use the redshift law:
[(observed wavelength) -(source wavelength) ]/source wavelength=v/c
The problem I have found here:confused: is how we can know the source wavelength.
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Different elements have distinctive lines in their spectra. These lines have known wavelengths you can measure in the lab. Hot hydrogen gas and plasma have distinctive patterns of spectral lines that you can recognize, and see how much it has been shifted towards longer wavelengths.

Other elements also play a role.
 
marcus said:
Different elements have distinctive lines in their spectra. These lines have known wavelengths you can measure in the lab. Hot hydrogen gas and plasma have distinctive patterns of spectral lines that you can recognize, and see how much it has been shifted towards longer wavelengths.

Other elements also play a role.
Thus, want you say that we know the source wavelength of these galaxies because we know already the elements that constituting them?
 
It is hard NOT to know, most of the universe is made of hydrogen and helium and elements have distinctive PATTERNs of lines, like 3 close together with the longer one twice as far from the middle, and relative brightnesses of the lines within a pattern

It is like a face or fingerprint, you just see "oh! those are the hydrogen lines, but just shifted over!" or Oh I see the bright yellow sodium line but it is shifted over into the red. And the shifts are all consistent, by the same ratio.

So it is hard to mistake the light of a particular abundant element, at least with nearby galaxies where we get a good sample of the light.
 
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