The minimum radius of a plane's circular path

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The problem involves a pilot flying a stunt airplane who is pulling out of a dive at a constant speed. The objective is to determine the minimum radius of the plane's circular path while ensuring the pilot's acceleration does not exceed 7.0g. The discussion centers around the forces acting on the plane and the calculations related to circular motion.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the forces acting on the plane, including gravitational force and normal force, and how these relate to the net force and acceleration. There are attempts to derive equations for the normal force and the radius of the circular path, with some participants questioning the setup of the force balance.

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Participants are actively engaging with each other's calculations and reasoning. Some have provided alternative equations and interpretations of the forces involved. There is a recognition of differing symbols and terminology, which has led to clarifications about the normal force.

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There appears to be some confusion regarding the calculations and the interpretation of the forces, particularly in how the net force is defined in relation to the normal force and gravitational force. Participants are also considering the potential for errors in the original poster's calculations and the textbook answer.

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Homework Statement


An 82 kg pilot flying a stunt airplane pulls out of a dive at a constant speed of 540 km/h.
a) What is the minimum radius of the plane's circular path if the pilot's acceleration at the lowest point is not to exceed 7.0g.

Homework Equations


Fg = mg
Fnet = mv^2/r
Fnet = ma

The Attempt at a Solution


At the lowest point I said that there were only 2 forces acting on the plane: Fg and I said Fn for the upward lift on the plane.

m=82 kg
v=540 km/h=150 m/s
a=7.0g

Fnet = mv^2/r=ma
Fnet = Fn - Fg = ma
Fnet = (82 kg)(7 x 9.8 N/kg) - (82 kg)(9.8 N/kg)
= 4821.6 N = mv^2/r
4821.6 N = [(82 kg)(150 m/s)^2]/r
r=[(82 kg)(150 m/s)^2]/4821.6 N
= 382.65 m
= 3.8 x 10^2 m

The answer is actually 3.3 x 10^2 m... The book is sometimes wrong though.

What did I do wrong?

Thanks.
 
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I'm not sure what you did (your calculations are a bit messy), but here are the two equations I derived:

n= m(g+a_{y}) = 6435.36 N

r = \frac{mv^{2}}{n-mg} = \frac{(82)(150^{2})}{6435.36-(82)(9.81)} = 3.27 \cdot 10^{2} \, m
 
Vykan12 said:
I'm not sure what you did (your calculations are a bit messy), but here are the two equations I derived:

n= m(g+a_{y}) = 6435.36 N

r = \frac{mv^{2}}{n-mg} = \frac{(82)(150^{2})}{6435.36-(82)(9.81)} = 3.27 \cdot 10^{2} \, m

That's essentially what I did, but I thought that the net force was Fn - Fg... How come it is Fn + Fg?

Attached is what I thought the FBD should look like.
 

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F_{net} = n - mg = ma \iff n = mg + ma = m(g+a)
 
Vykan12 said:
F_{net} = n - mg = ma \iff n = mg + ma = m(g+a)

What's n? I think we use different symbols where I take this course...
 
n is the normal force of the pilot.
 
Vykan12 said:
n is the normal force of the pilot.

Ok, that's what I thought... Thanks.
 

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