The output of Op-Amp[LM324] has error as non-inverting Amp

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The discussion revolves around troubleshooting gain discrepancies in an LM324 op-amp circuit. The user initially calculates a gain of 4.50691 but observes higher gains with different input voltages, leading to confusion about stability. Suggestions include ensuring a split supply for AC signals, bypassing the power supply with a capacitor, and checking the layout to avoid interference from power supply currents. It’s noted that the gain calculation was incorrect, and the user later achieved acceptable output with different resistor values. MultiSim is recommended as a helpful tool for circuit troubleshooting.
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Hi everybody
I'm a newbie and working on LM324 to learn Op-Amp. this is my circuit:

http://img4.uplood.fr/free/qx3o_20150425_172843.jpg
One of the resistors is 217ohm and another 978ohm. then the gain should be 4.50691 as you can see. so far so good. I know this is for ideal Op-Amp. I applied 0.15v to the input and got 0.94v in the output. then the gain is 6.26667. again I applied 0.35v to the input and got 2.03v then gain should be 5.8!?o_O
again I applied 1.86v and got 10.31 then the gain is 5.54301! holy crap! :wideeyed: why isn't the gain stable? because of input offset voltage? How can I stabilize it?
 
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You need a split supply to make this work.
 
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LM324 should be okay with single supply so long as everything stays positive,.
But if you're inputting AC then yes, you need dual supply.

Did you bypass your supply with a small cap near the IC?

What is voltage at junction of 217 - 978 resistors?
Is it the same as your input?
If opamp is making its inputs equal , the problem is not offset.

Possibly it's your layout. When power supply current shares a wire with signal, the drop along the wire adds to signal.
Is there any AC in your output?
How are your input source and 217 tied to common ?
 
The gain for a non-inverting op-amp is not how you are computing it. The gain in this case is 5.50691. (978/217) + 1. Keep your input voltages farther away from the supply rail with a 324.
 
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Averagesupernova said:
The gain for a non-inverting op-amp is not how you are computing it.

Thanks - i missed that !
Big ten-duh on me, good buddy !
 
Thanks guys
I used 145.6kohm as Rf and 2.14kohm as Rin and got an acceptable output. for example 70.1mv in the input, I got 4.93v in the output.
 
MultiSim is my best friend when troubleshooting circuits like this. Just a suggestion.
 
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