The pendulum is released from rest with θ = 30deg

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The discussion revolves around deriving the equation of motion for a pendulum released from rest at an angle of 30 degrees and determining the speed of the bob as a function of the angle. The equation of motion is given as θ'' = -4.905sinθ rad/s², while the speed function is v = 6.26√(cosθ - 0.866) m/s. Participants express confusion regarding the derivation process, particularly the use of tangential acceleration and the conventions for direction. The importance of energy conservation and torque in the analysis is emphasized, alongside clarifications on the signs used in the equations. Overall, the conversation highlights the complexities involved in analyzing pendulum motion using different physical principles.
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Homework Statement


13.54 The pentulum is released from rest with θ = 30deg. (a) Derive the equation of motion
using θ as the independent variable. (b) Determine the speed of the bob as a function of θ.
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The solutions given in the textbok are a) ##\ddot θ = -4.905sinθ rad/s^2##
b) ##6.26\sqrt {cosθ - 0.866} m/s##

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The Attempt at a Solution



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I understand something is not correct.
I guess the positive direction for the bob now is to the left.
 
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Where did the 7.5 come from? You have not been given the tension, you have been given that the bob is released from rest.
 
part (a) think torque = I times dω/dt
part (b) think energy conservation.
 
Hi! After doing some research on the web I came up with the following solution (by an engineer)
I don't understand though why he took ##a_T## to be ##-rα##. Does it has to do with the
the tangential and radial axes sense?
He mentions ##F=ma_T## as an inertial force.

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Alexanddros81 said:
took ##a_T## to be −rα
If you start with arc length = radius x arc angle then differentiate twice wrt time you will get this. The sign depends on your conventions. In vectors, ##\vec {a_T}=\vec r\times\ddot{\vec\theta}##.
You can get the second result (velocity) by integrating or by work conservation.
 
Alexanddros81 said:
Hi! After doing some research on the web I came up with the following solution (by an engineer)
I don't understand though why he took ##a_T## to be ##-rα##. Does it has to do with the
the tangential and radial axes sense?
He mentions ##F=ma_T## as an inertial force.

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Your last result v = 6.26√(cosθ - cos30deg) is correct.
 
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