B The Probability that N and E bridge hands have the same number of spades?

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The discussion focuses on calculating the probability that two bridge hands, N and E, have the same number of spades when dealing from a standard 52-card deck. The initial calculations involve determining the cardinality of events where N and E have 0 to 6 spades, using combinatorial methods. A revised approach suggests estimating the probability based on the distribution of spades, leading to an approximate probability of 18%. The final calculations indicate a more precise probability of about 17.7% for N and E to have the same number of spades. The conversation emphasizes the complexity of the problem and the need for careful combinatorial reasoning.
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The question: suppose we deal four 13-card bridge hands from an ordinary 52-card deck. What is the probability that the North and East hands each have exactly the same number of spades?

I have an answer, but I can't find a solution anywhere to confirm it, and it's a little beyond my programming ability at the moment to do a brute force solution.

Is my answer correct? If not, where did I go wrong?
My answer is as follows:

Let ##S## be the set of all outcomes of dealing four labelled 13-card hands from a standard 52-card deck.

Let ##A## be event "N and E have exactly the same number of spades."

Let ##A_i## be event "N and E have exactly ##i## spades each."

Note that when ##i > 6##, ##\mathbb {P}(A_i) = 0## since there are only 13 spades in a standard deck of cards.

In the case of event ##A_0##, there are
  • ##2^{13}## ways to deal the 13 spades into hands S and W,
  • ##\binom {39} {13}## ways to "top up" hands S and W, and
  • ##\frac {26!}{13!13!}## ways to partition the remaining cards into hands N and E.
By the fundamental principle of counting, ##|A_0| = 2^{13} \binom {39}{13} \frac {26!}{13!13!}##.

In the case of event ##A_1##, there are
  • ##\binom {13}{2}## ways to assign 1 spade each to hands N and E,
  • ##\binom {50}{24}## ways to "top up" hands N and E, and
  • ##\frac {26!}{13!13!}## ways to partition the remaining cards into hands S and W.
By the fundamental principle of counting, ##|A_1| = \binom {13}{2} \binom {50}{24} \frac {26!}{13!13!}##.

By similar logic to that used to find the cardinality of event ##A_1##:
  • ##|A_2| = \binom {13}{4} \binom {48}{22} \frac {26!}{13!13!}##
  • ##|A_3| = \binom {13}{6} \binom {46}{20} \frac {26!}{13!13!}##
  • ##|A_4| = \binom {13}{8} \binom {44}{18} \frac {26!}{13!13!}##
  • ##|A_5| = \binom {13}{10} \binom {42}{16} \frac {26!}{13!13!}##
  • ##|A_6| = \binom {13}{12} \binom {40}{14} \frac {26!}{13!13!}##
Since the events ##A_i, i \in \{0,1,2,3,4,5,6\}## are disjoint,
##|A| = |\bigcup_{i \in \{0,1,2,3,4,5,6\}} A_i| = \sum_{i=0}^6 |A_i|##​

By the Discrete Uniform Probability Law,

##\mathbb {P}(A) =\frac {|A|}{|S|} = \frac {|A|}{\frac {52!}{13!13!13!13!}} = \frac {507696703}{31260638524067527680000}##​

Is this correct? If not, where did I go wrong?

Edit: updated answer, but it's still likely wrong.
 
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By the Discrete Uniform Probability Law,

##\mathbb {P}(A) =\frac {|A|}{|S|} = \frac {|A|}{\frac {52!}{13!13!13!13!}} = \frac {91957}{1508157204050}##​

Is this correct? If not, where did I go wrong?

That looks like a very small number. I make it about 18%.
 
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In the case of event A0A0A_0, there are
  • 2132132^{13} ways to deal the 13 spades into hands S and W,
  • (3913)(3913)\binom {39} {13} ways to "top up" hands S and W, and
You only count, the number of ways 13 cards can be selected to "top up" S and W, but not the number of ways these can be divided between S and W.
 
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Here's a rough estimate:

Let's say that North gets two, three or four spades with roughly equal probabilty of ##1/4##, leaving ##1/4## for everything else. And, assume that East gets the same independent of what North has.

That gives us an approximate probability of ##1/16## for North and East to have two spades each and the same for three spades each and four spades each. That's a total of ##3/16##. That's a first guess.

To calculate the number accurately, we take the six cases where E and N share zero to six spades.

The number of ways that N has ##n## spades is:
$$N(n)= \binom{13}{n}\binom{39}{13-n}$$
The total number of N hands is:
$$N = \binom{52}{13}$$
Then for East we have (given that N has ##n## spades):
$$E(n) = \binom{13-n}{n}\binom{26+n}{13-n}$$
And the total number of East hands is:
$$E = \binom{39}{13}$$
Then the probability that N and E both have ##n## spades is:
$$P(n) = \frac{N(n)}{N} \frac{E(n)}{E}$$
And you can sum the six resulting probabilities. The most likely, for example, is three spades each, which has a probability of about ##8 \%##. And the total probability is about ##18\%##, which is a bit less than the rough estimate above.
 
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Thanks for the help! I finally got ##\frac {28035698399}{158753389900} \approx 0.177##.
 
I didn't solve the problem, but I would be inclined to attack it via the general case: 4N cards in a deck, and work it out by hand for N=1, 2 and maybe 3. Once I get it right for N, plug in N=13.

For example, I would not be trying to partition cards between S and W.
 
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