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The rise of unschooled children

  1. Apr 19, 2010 #1
    Is this a good or bad thing?

    http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Parenting/unschooling-homeschooling-book-tests-classes/story?id=10410867

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEUzsooa1JE
     
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  3. Apr 19, 2010 #2
    Oh wow. Now we will have more stupid kids. Go America.
     
  4. Apr 19, 2010 #3

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    Reporter: Do you feel prepared to go to college?

    girl: "Ugh, If I decide to go to college, then I'll pick up a textbook." Ok, but when you're 19 and the the only "text book" you can master is "Run spot run, run, run, run", you might be a tad behind.
     
  5. Apr 19, 2010 #4
    I think a far better method of "unschooling" is the Sudbury Valley method.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudbury_Valley_School

    This way, the kids are actually at a school, and there are teachers around for tutoring, or to hold a class if a group of kids want to get together and form one. For what it's worth, it is fully accredited to award diplomas.

    The kids that want to go to college have something like an 80% acceptance rate at the school of their first choice, according to a study done by Sudbury Valley School of its alumni. Consider the source, of course.
     
  6. Apr 19, 2010 #5
    Chaotic and unsustainable!
     
  7. Apr 19, 2010 #6

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    Wow, tragic. :yuck: I guess the parents won't mind when the kids never move out. After all, they probably won't be interested in working either. If they do work, I hope they like saying "You want fries with that?".
     
  8. Apr 19, 2010 #7
    I think it is a requirement now that you have to have a high school degree to work at Mcdonalds, or at least be in high school.
     
  9. Apr 19, 2010 #8

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    It's just so stupid, for most of history an edcuation was the privelege of the wealthy. Women were denied formal educations as were the poor. And now we have people that willingly decide to remain uneducated. So many people fought for so long for the opportunity to get an education and these people throw it away.
     
  10. Apr 19, 2010 #9
    If done correctly, "unschooling" does not lead to being "uneducated." I'm not saying these parents are doing it correctly, however.
     
  11. Apr 19, 2010 #10

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    Sounds like pretty spot-on America to me.
     
  12. Apr 19, 2010 #11
    That's probably the worst idea I've ever heard in my life.
    It sounds like an idea thought up by a 12 year old.

    And if I heard them right, it sounded like the parents of those little kids let the kids decide what they want to eat and when they need to brush their teeth, in addition to not making them go to school. That's dooming them to become fat, toothless, stupid, poor people. These people are dummies.
     
  13. Apr 19, 2010 #12

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    I have to believe there are studies done on "no-schoolers" that show just how f***ed up the whole concept is.
     
  14. Apr 19, 2010 #13

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    It's one thing to give a child a choice, it's another to, in essence, not give them one. The older male child said that his parents pulled him out of school in the 1st grade, age 6-7. Seriously, ask any 6 year old "would you rather get up and go to school or lay in bed, watch tv, and eat junk food all day?" What do you think the answer would be?
     
  15. Apr 19, 2010 #14

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    I was 'unschooled' as a kid. It doesn't mean 'uneducated'. It's more like custom tailoring a curriculum guided by your own interests. It worked fairly well for me, but I knew exactly what I wanted to do when I was older.

    Slackers will slack whether they are 'unschooled' or not. Learning is up to the individual.
     
  16. Apr 19, 2010 #15

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    That said, it is extremely alienating. The sort of vitriol you see in these posts is pretty much the reaction I got from everybody I knew growing up.
     
  17. Apr 19, 2010 #16
    When the studies are done in the context of a Sudbury Valley-style school, which is still technically "unschooling," the studies show the opposite of what you think. At least the ones I've seen. I haven't seen the studies for children "unschooled" at home.

    I do find it interesting that the members of a science board are jumping to conclusions without examining evidence.
     
  18. Apr 19, 2010 #17
    Studies that are done by Sudbury Valley-style school as you said earlier
     
  19. Apr 19, 2010 #18

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    I've always said that Sudbury is stupid, but at least the kids are exposed to some type of learning. maybe. None of them have ever been heard of again.

    Not much to examine, no education is, well, no education. What's to ponder about?
     
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  20. Apr 19, 2010 #19
    "Not-educated" is not equal to being "stupid".
     
  21. Apr 19, 2010 #20
    A high school diploma is "no education?"
     
  22. Apr 19, 2010 #21

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    If there is no education behind it, which is what they essentially claim.
     
  23. Apr 19, 2010 #22
    I think we are using different definitions of the word "education."
     
  24. Apr 19, 2010 #23

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    The Sudbury Valley school isn't what the video shown in the OP is about. The video shows kids doing absolutely nothing to learn anything. Perhaps that was done purposely by ABC to sensationalize this particular situation, but it doesn't look like the parents of the kids have tried anything to teach their children.

    My sister home schooled her 2 kids most of the way through grade school. That home schooling was monitored by the state, and they both went on to college and have done exceptionally well. But the video doesn't show any kind of home schooling either. Not Sudbury Valley. Not home school. In the video, it looks like the parents are wearing blinders, just hoping that by doing nothing their kids will somehow figure out by themselves what they need to do to cope with the modern world.
     
  25. Apr 19, 2010 #24

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    Unschoolers use the word education like most people use the word indoctrination.

    This movement is pretty much inspired by a guy named John Taylor Gatto and his book "The Underground History of American Education".

    http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/underground/ [Broken]
     
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  26. Apr 19, 2010 #25
    Well, maybe it's time to make new history by not believing in the "education is a must" thing any longer. In my opinion, one needs to be literate, not necessarily be a college/high school graduate. There are a lot of jobs which actually don't need formal education. For instance, check out all your home appliances' tags, clothes, jeans... most if not all are "Made in China". The average workers who are making all these for us for less than $1/day don't need to go to college or to high school to be able to make these. And please don't tell me, had these poor uneducated people got formal education, they would not have to work on the factory floors or in the sweatshops for such low wages, then who would do such jobs???

    I do however believe that in the years to come, ONLY a small percentage of us need to get formal college education, the rest of the population could effectively perform/do things that don't need knowledge of calculus or solving integrals! "formal-education-for-all" is not what we think is necessary in the future and frankly most of the pioneers of science actually discovered things out of their own curiosity while they had little or no formal education at all.
     
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