The size of the orbits of a finite normal subgroup

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Homework Statement


Let H be a finite subgroup of a group G. Verify that the formula (h,h')(x)=hxh'-1 defines an action of H x H on G. Prove that H is a normal subgroup of G if and only if every orbit of this action contains precisely |H| points.

The Attempt at a Solution


I solved the first part of the question:
\left(\left(h,h'\right)\left(k,k'\right)\right)\left(x\right)=\left(hk,h'k'\right)\left(x\right)=hkx\left(h'k'\right)^{-1}=hkxk'^{-1}h'^{-1}=\left(h,h'\right)\left(\left(k,k'\right)\left(x\right)\right)
This shows that the formula is a group homomorphism from H x H to G, and therefore it defines an action. But for the second part of the question I need a hint.
 
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You may have omitted it intentionally because it's simple, but if not remember also to check (1,1)x = x to confirm that we have a group action.

The orbit of g is HgH.

If H is normal, then HgH = g^{-1}HH=g^{-1}H.

In general we have gH \subseteq HgH and Hg \subseteq HgH. Now if |HgH| = |H| = |gH| = |Hg| can you conclude gH=HgH=Hg?
 
rasmhop said:
You may have omitted it intentionally because it's simple, but if not remember also to check (1,1)x = x to confirm that we have a group action.

The orbit of g is HgH.

If H is normal, then HgH = g^{-1}HH=g^{-1}H.

In general we have gH \subseteq HgH and Hg \subseteq HgH. Now if |HgH| = |H| = |gH| = |Hg| can you conclude gH=HgH=Hg?

I understand the line of reasoning, only one point is unclear to me. You say that HgH = g^{-1}HH=g^{-1}H. But shouldn't this be HgH = gHH=gH? Because for a normal subgroup H gH=Hg for all g in G?
 
3029298 said:
I understand the line of reasoning, only one point is unclear to me. You say that HgH = g^{-1}HH=g^{-1}H. But shouldn't this be HgH = gHH=gH? Because for a normal subgroup H gH=Hg for all g in G?

Yes you're right.
 
Thanks! Then I understand :)
 
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