The Tension Force and Equilibrium

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The discussion focuses on calculating the minimum pulling force a clown must exert to pull his feet out from under himself, given his weight of 875 N and a static friction coefficient of 0.41. The initial calculations incorrectly assumed the forces acting in the vertical direction, leading to confusion about the relationship between the pulling force and static friction. Participants clarified that the pulling force creates tension in the rope, which opposes static friction, and should be included positively in the equations. The correct approach involves adjusting the equations to account for all forces, leading to the formula F = μW/(1 + μ) for determining the minimum force needed. The clarification emphasizes the importance of accurately representing all forces in the free body diagram for correct calculations.
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Another one...

The drawing shows a circus clown who weighs 875 N. The coefficient of static friction between the clown's feet and the ground is 0.41. He pulls vertically downward on a rope that passes around three pulleys and is tied around his feet. What is the minimum pulling force that the clown must exert to yank his feet out from under himself? The pulleys and rope are assumed to be massless and frictionless.
Picture: http://www.webassign.net/CJ/04_58.gif

W = 875N
\mus = 0.41
Unknown force F
Frictional Force Ff
Normal Force Fn

No acceleration, so Fnet = 0 in both x and y directions.
Fnetx = F - Ff = 0
F = Ff
Unknown F equals frictional force Ff.

Fnety = Fn - W = 0
Fn = W = 875N
Normal Force equals 875N.

By definition, Ff = \muFn

Fnetx = F - \muFn = 0
F = \muFn = 0.41(875N)
F = 359N

This is not correct.
I'm assuming that when the clown pulls downward, the downward force becomes force opposing the static friction. Thanks for your help.
 
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Gannon said:
Another one...

The drawing shows a circus clown who weighs 875 N. The coefficient of static friction between the clown's feet and the ground is 0.41. He pulls vertically downward on a rope that passes around three pulleys and is tied around his feet. What is the minimum pulling force that the clown must exert to yank his feet out from under himself? The pulleys and rope are assumed to be massless and frictionless.
Picture: http://www.webassign.net/CJ/04_58.gif

W = 875N
\mus = 0.41
Unknown force F
Frictional Force Ff
Normal Force Fn

No acceleration, so Fnet = 0 in both x and y directions.
Fnetx = F - Ff = 0
F = Ff
Unknown F equals frictional force Ff.
Very good.
Fnety = Fn - W = 0
here is where you are missing a force.

I'm assuming that when the clown pulls downward, the downward force becomes force opposing the static friction.
yes, good. Correct your Fnety equation to include all forces in your free body diagram of the clown.
 
Ok... so when he pulls down, force F also occurs in the y direction?
 
Gannon said:
Ok... so when he pulls down, force F also occurs in the y direction?
Yes, do you see why?
 
I think so. He pulls down with force; this puts tension in the rope that creates an equal force to oppose the static friction.
 
Gannon said:
I think so. He pulls down with force; this puts tension in the rope that creates an equal force to oppose the static friction.
Yes, this is the part you got correct when you looked in the x direction. What does your equation
look like in the y direction?
 
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Would it be Fnety = Fn - W - F? Using this I got

Fnetx = F - \mu(W + F) = 0
Fnetx = F - \muW + \muF = 0

Adding weight to both sides, I get

F + \muF = \muW
F(1 + \mu) = \muW

so

F = \muW/(1 + \mu)

Is this right?
 
Gannon said:
Would it be Fnety = Fn - W - F? Using this I got

Fnetx = F - \mu(W + F) = 0
Fnetx = F - \muW + \muF = 0

Adding weight to both sides, I get

F + \muF = \muW
F(1 + \mu) = \muW

so

F = \muW/(1 + \mu)

Is this right?
Yes, but your equation is wrong and your math error made it right. In the y direction, the normal force acts up, the weight acts down, and the tension in the rope acts up. The tension force, F, which always pulls away from an object (or clown!), acts in the same direction as the normal force here, so its value should be plus, not minus.
 
Ah! I see now. Thanks for your help.
 
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