There are numbers c, d, with f(a) < f(x) < f(b) for x in (c,d)

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The discussion revolves around a proof involving a continuous function ##f## defined on the interval ##[a,b]##, with the condition that ##f(a) < f(b)##. Participants are tasked with demonstrating the existence of numbers ##c## and ##d## within the interval such that ##f(c) = f(a)##, ##f(d) = f(b)##, and for any ##x## in the interval ##(c,d)##, it holds that ##f(a) < f(x) < f(b)##.

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  • One participant attempts to construct sets ##A## and ##B## to find the least upper bound ##\alpha## and the greatest lower bound ##\beta##, respectively, to establish the required properties of ##c## and ##d##. Another participant questions the relationship between ##\alpha## and ##\beta##, suggesting the possibility that ##\beta < \alpha##.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants examining the definitions and properties of the sets involved. One participant has acknowledged a potential oversight in the definitions, which may clarify the argument presented.

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Participants are working under the assumption that the function is continuous and that the sets defined are non-empty and bounded, which are critical to the proof's structure.

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Homework Statement


If ##f## is continuous on ##[a,b]## and ##f(a) < f(b)##. Prove that there are numbers ##c, d## with ##a \le c < d \le b## such that ##f(c) = f(a)## and ##f(d) = f(b)## and if ##x \in (c,d)## then ##f(a) < f(x) < f(b)##.


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This is what I tried.
By considering the set
##A = \left\{ x : a \le x < b \land f(x) = f(a) \right\} ##, which is non-empty and bounded above, so it has a least upper bound ##\alpha##, then I showed that ##f(\alpha) = f(a)##. And by considering the set ##B = \left\{ x : \alpha < x \le b \land f(x) = f(b) \right\} ##, which is nonempty and bounded below, so it has a greatest lower bound ##\beta##. I showed ##f(\beta) = f(b)##. And finally showed if ##x \in (\alpha, \beta)## then ##f(a) < f(x) < f(b)##. So letting ##c = \alpha## and ##d = \beta##.
 
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R_beta.v3 said:

Homework Statement


If ##f## is continuous on ##[a,b]## and ##f(a) < f(b)##. Prove that there are numbers ##c, d## with ##a \le c < d \le b## such that ##f(c) = f(a)## and ##f(d) = f(b)## and if ##x \in (c,d)## then ##f(a) < f(x) < f(b)##.


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The Attempt at a Solution



This is what I tried.
By considering the set
##A = \left\{ x : a \le x < b \land f(x) = f(a) \right\} ##, which is non-empty and bounded above, so it has a least upper bound ##\alpha##, then I showed that ##f(\alpha) = f(a)##. And by considering the set ##B = \left\{ x : \alpha < x \le b \land f(x) = f(b) \right\} ##, which is nonempty and bounded below, so it has a greatest lower bound ##\beta##. I showed ##f(\beta) = f(b)##. And finally showed if ##x \in (\alpha, \beta)## then ##f(a) < f(x) < f(b)##. So letting ##c = \alpha## and ##d = \beta##.

But might it not be that ##\beta < \alpha##?
 
LCKurtz said:
But might it not be that ##\beta < \alpha##?

Well ##B## is bounded below by ##\alpha##, so ##\alpha## is a lower bound of B, and since ##\beta## is the greatest lower bound of ##B##, ##\alpha \le \beta##
 
R_beta.v3 said:
Well ##B## is bounded below by ##\alpha##, so ##\alpha## is a lower bound of B, and since ##\beta## is the greatest lower bound of ##B##, ##\alpha \le \beta##

Yes. Sorry, I looked at your definitions of A and B and didn't notice you had ##\alpha## instead of ##a## for the lower limit in B. So I think your argument looks good.
 

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