Thermo dynamics, entropy based problem

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The discussion centers on a thermodynamics problem involving the adiabatic expansion of air in a rigid vessel. When the diaphragm is burst, the change in entropy of the air is calculated to be +0.609 kJ/K, while the surroundings experience no change in entropy, resulting in a net entropy change of +0.609 kJ/K for the system. In contrast, if the expansion were reversible, the change in entropy for the air would still be +0.609 kJ/K, but the surroundings would also have a corresponding change, leading to a net entropy change of zero. The confusion arises from the calculation of work done during the expansion, where the user initially misinterprets the sign of the entropy change. Ultimately, the calculations confirm that the entropy change aligns with theoretical expectations for both free and reversible expansions.
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Homework Statement



A rigid vessel of total volume 0.5m3 contains 1kg of air at 15°C initially
constrained in a volume of 0.06m3 by a diaphragm. The remaining volume is
completely evacuated (pressure = 0). If the diaphragm is burst, allowing free
adiabatic expansion of the air, determine the change of entropy of the air and
of the surroundings. If instead of a free expansion, the process had been a
reversible expansion between the two states, what would then be the change
of entropy of the air, and of the surroundings? Compare the net change of
entropy for the system and surroundings in the two cases. Surrounding
temperature 15°C .
Answer: +0.609, 0, +0.609 – 0.609 kJ/K

Homework Equations



\DeltaS=C_v.Ln(P2/P1) + C_p.Ln(V2/V1) (1)

\DeltaS=C_v.Ln(T2/T1) + R.Ln(V2/V1) (2)

\DeltaS=C_p.Ln(T2/T1) - R.Ln(P2/P1) (3)

\DeltaS=C_v.Ln(P2/P1) - C_p.Ln(V2/V1) (4)

The Attempt at a Solution



I can work out the first part of the problem easy enough taking the expansion as being isothermic so (2) becomes \DeltaS=R.Ln(V2/V1) but I am stumpped by the second part.

im told that the Eq becomes;

Q = \Deltau + W since there is no heat transfer to the system it becomes Q=W=m.R.t.Ln(V2/V1) but I've got no idea where this Eq comes from.#

EDIT:

Is this just a case of W=\intPdV and since Pv=mRt so P=(mRt)/v

then W=\int\frac{mRt}{V} dV

= mRt\int\frac{1}{V} dV
 
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ok, just worked that through and I get the right magnitude for the entropy change but I don't understand why the answer is negative.

my working:

W = mRt\int^{2}_{1}\frac{1}{v}dv = mRt [Ln v]^{2}_{1} = 1*0.287*288*(Ln0.5 - Ln0.06) =175.253

so,

\Delta S = \frac{Q}{T} = \frac{175.253}{288} = 0.609Kj

but acording to the answers it should be -0.609Kj?
 
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