Thermodyamics, total differentials and integration.

AI Thread Summary
The discussion revolves around a UK graduate student's challenge in deriving the enthalpy of an acoustic medium, particularly in transitioning from infinitesimal to non-infinitesimal forms of the entropy equation. The student seeks clarification on how to integrate the term involving entropy and temperature, specifically regarding the transformation of the last term in the expression. There is a suggestion to use a Maclaurin series to avoid complications with infinitesimals, which the student finds appealing. The conversation also touches on the significance of using Euler's theorem for homogeneous functions in this context. Overall, the student is looking for guidance on integrating these thermodynamic relationships accurately.
stephen_E
Messages
3
Reaction score
0
Hi everyone! I am a UK grad student working in acoustics. My own background is in EE, so i am largely self taught in thermodynamics. Consequently id really appreciate any insight any of you real physicists can give me with my problem!

Following derivations in books i can derive the enthalpy, H_{A}, of an acoustic medium to be as follows (S is strain, T is stress, D and E are electric filed and electric displacement,B and H are magnetic field, \theta is temperature and \sigma is entropy. Furthermore, the problem is assumed to be adiabatic.

H_{A} &= U -(ST)-(ED)-(BH)
(where dU = dW + dQ = T_{i}dS_{i} + E_{i}dD_{i} + H_{i}dB_{i} + \theta d\sigma), therefore:
dH_{A} &= - S_{i}dT_{i} - D_{m}dE_{m} - B_{m}dH_{m} + \theta d\sigma

so:
S_{i}=\frac{-\partial{H_{A}}}{\partial{T_{i}}}
etc etc for the other non infinitesimal quantities etc.

My problem comes when I expand Si and the other non-state variables from dH_A individually into total differentials ie

dS_{i} &=(\frac{\partial{S_{i}}}{\partial{T_{i}}})_{E,H,\sigma}dT_{i} + (\frac{\partial{S_{i}}}{\partial{E_{m}}})_{H,\sigma}dE_{m} + (\frac{\partial{S_{i}}}{\partial{H_{m}}})_{H,E}dH_{m} + (\frac{\partial{S_{i}}}{\partial{\sigma}})_{H,E}d\sigma

I need to convert this expression into a non-infinitesimal form, ie so the LHS is S and not ds. I know the correct answer from my textbook is:

S_{i} &=(\frac{\partial{S_{i}}}{\partial{T_{i}}})_{E,H,\sigma}T_{i} + (\frac{\partial{S_{i}}}{\partial{E_{m}}})_{H,\sigma}E_{m} + (\frac{\partial{S_{i}}}{\partial{H_{m}}})_{H,E}H_{m} + (\frac{\partial{S_{i}}}{\partial{\sigma}})_{H,E}d\sigma

However I don't see how to obtain this and the book glosses over the details of how to do this! Obviously I need to perform some kind of integration here, but how do I do this?! The thing that is throwing me is that last term involving entropy and temperature. I can see how to integrate this for terms T,E and H ie a term of the form
(\frac{\partial{S_{i}}}{\partial{T_{i}}})_{E,H,\sigma}dT_{i}
converts to (\frac{\partial{S_{i}}}{\partial{T_{i}}})_{E,H,\sigma}T_{i}.

Can someone explain to me the significance of (\frac{\partial{S_{i}}}{\partial{\sigma}})_{H,E}d\sigma since this term doesn't seem to transform in the same fashion?

Also: Should i ditch the infinitesimal notation for S? At least one book I've seen assumes S is a function of the form S(T,E,H,\sigma) and expands this function using a Maclaurin series: this seems to avoid the tricky infinitesimal quantities. Is this a better approach? Generally, using infinitesimals in calculus seems to be a bit of a minefield, as they are not very rigorous.

Thanks!
-=+Stephen Ellwood+=-
Ultrasound Research Group, Leeds University, UK
 
Science news on Phys.org
Just thought i should add one more detail: the subscript indices here are related to the fact that the material this derivation refers to is anisotropic - ie properties vary in different directions.

However this shouldn't drastically effect the outcome here.
 
stephen_E said:
I know the correct answer from my textbook is:

S_{i} &=(\frac{\partial{S_{i}}}{\partial{T_{i}}})_{E,H,\sigma}T_{i} + (\frac{\partial{S_{i}}}{\partial{E_{m}}})_{H,\sigma}E_{m} + (\frac{\partial{S_{i}}}{\partial{H_{m}}})_{H,E}H_{m} + (\frac{\partial{S_{i}}}{\partial{\sigma}})_{H,E}d\sigma

I'm with you up to here, but this can't be correct; you can't integrate and be left with d\sigma. Shouldn't the last term be

\int^{\sigma_2}_{\sigma_1} \left(\frac{\partial{S_{i}}}{\partial{\sigma}}\right)_{H,E,T}d\sigma\,\mathrm{?}

It seems like you could move forward by expanding as

\left(\frac{\partial{S_{i}}}{\partial{\sigma}}\right)=\left(\frac{\partial{S_{i}}}{\partial{\theta}}\right)\left(\frac{\partial \theta}{\partial{\sigma}}\right)

where the first quantity is related to thermal expansion and the second to heat capacity. Does this help?
 
I haven't the foggiest idea really - my feeling is that an equation of state is being used - like PV=nRT for an ideal gas. Perhaps some context may help? What are the titles of the book and chapter? What is the final goal of the derivation?
 
Euler's theorem for homogeneous functions is used here, see here for a similar problem:

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=253781

Note that you should call H the magnetization (commonly denoted by M), E the electric polarization (commonly denoted by P).
 
Hi guys I can confirm that the formulae I have given are correct; there is another derivation in the same book where the guy uses a very similar approach but this time on an isothermal not adiabatic problem.

I'm assuming that he wouldn't make the same mistake twice; furthermore if you can't preform the step I've outlined here you cannot prove the fundamental equations of piezoelectricity which would be a major showstopper!

The book in question is "Principles of Acoustics" Volume IA, edited by Warren P Mason, published by Academic Press - its very old though (c. 1950's)!

Many thanks for your reply Count Iblis, ill look into this Euler's theorem business. It sounds like it could be just the key to solving this.
 
I need to calculate the amount of water condensed from a DX cooling coil per hour given the size of the expansion coil (the total condensing surface area), the incoming air temperature, the amount of air flow from the fan, the BTU capacity of the compressor and the incoming air humidity. There are lots of condenser calculators around but they all need the air flow and incoming and outgoing humidity and then give a total volume of condensed water but I need more than that. The size of the...
Thread 'Why work is PdV and not (P+dP)dV in an isothermal process?'
Let's say we have a cylinder of volume V1 with a frictionless movable piston and some gas trapped inside with pressure P1 and temperature T1. On top of the piston lay some small pebbles that add weight and essentially create the pressure P1. Also the system is inside a reservoir of water that keeps its temperature constant at T1. The system is in equilibrium at V1, P1, T1. Now let's say i put another very small pebble on top of the piston (0,00001kg) and after some seconds the system...
Back
Top