Thermodynamics - Carnot Engine

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the principles of thermodynamics, specifically focusing on the Carnot engine and heat pump systems. The original poster presents two parts of a problem related to heat transfer, efficiency, and temperature relationships in ideal gas systems.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply the Carnot equations to relate heat absorbed and rejected to reservoir temperatures, expressing uncertainty about their interpretation of the problem. They also explore the implications of using a heat pump and question the consistency of their temperature calculations.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some expressing confusion and seeking clarification on their approaches. There is a recognition of the complexity of the problem, and multiple interpretations are being explored without a clear consensus on the correct path forward.

Contextual Notes

Participants note feelings of embarrassment regarding the perceived simplicity of the question, indicating a potential pressure from homework expectations. There is also mention of messy substitutions and circular reasoning in attempts to solve part (b).

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Homework Statement


(a.) For an Ideal Gas Carnot engine, what is the relationship between heat absorbed and rejected by the reservoirs and their temperature? If a heat pump is used to transfer this heat, what is the rate at which heat is added to the hot reservoir in terms of the temperatures of the reservoir and the work done by the pump?

(b.) A house is imperfectly insulated such that it can maintain a heat difference from its surroundings of 5K if it is heated solely by electrical power supplied to electric heaters. If the heaters are turned off and the same power is supplied to a heat pump that extracts heat from a reservoir at the same temperature of the surroundings, 270K, at what temperature can the house be maintained?

Homework Equations


[tex]\frac{Q_H}{Q_C} = \frac{\theta_H}{\theta_C}[/tex]

and

[tex]\frac{Q_H}{W} = \frac{\theta_H}{\theta_H - \theta_C}[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



For part (a.) I have the first equation I posted above and

[tex]\frac{dQ_H}{dt} = \frac{\theta_H}{\theta_H - \theta_C} \frac{dW}{dt}[/tex]

which I'm not entirely sure is what the question was looking for

In part (b) I've tried quite a few different things and keep going in circles! I think, with a lot of messy substitution I get the temperature to be 275K. As it was before, which seems consistent with conservation of energy, but I'm not sure its actually right?

This looks like quite a basic question, so its quite embarrassing to be having problems with it, if anyone has any helpful advice that would be great. Thanks!
 
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For example, one of the methods I used was:

[tex]\frac{dQ_H}{dt} = \frac{\theta_H}{\theta_H - \theta_C} \frac{dW}{dt}[/tex]

Which, when [tex]\theta_H = 275 K[/tex] and [tex]\theta_C = 270 K[/tex] give [tex]\frac{dQ}{dt} = \frac{1}{55} \frac{dW}{dt}[/tex]

But then I don't really know what to do with that?
 
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anyone?
 
i need help with this one too!
 

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