Thermodynamics: Heat Sink Experiment - 3 Pots vs. 2 Pots

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The discussion revolves around a thought experiment comparing two scenarios involving heat transfer between pots of water at different temperatures. The first scenario involves two pots, while the second involves three pots. Participants explore the implications of these setups on the time required for the pots to reach specific temperatures, focusing on thermodynamic principles and heat transfer dynamics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a scenario with two pots at different temperatures and questions whether it will take the same, more, or less time for three pots to reach a higher equilibrium temperature.
  • Another participant notes that theoretically, reaching exact temperatures like 50 and 66.6 degrees Celsius would take an infinite amount of time due to the asymptotic nature of heat transfer, suggesting a numerical approach to approximate the solution.
  • A participant expresses difficulty in understanding the technical explanation and requests a simpler answer regarding the comparative time to reach near equilibrium.
  • One participant claims that the process is fastest when the pots are the same size, implying that scenario 1 will reach equilibrium faster than scenario 2.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the time required for the pots to reach equilibrium. There are competing views regarding the implications of the number of pots and the nature of heat transfer.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the size of the pots and the specifics of heat transfer dynamics. The discussion also highlights the complexity of thermodynamic principles and the need for numerical methods to approach the problem.

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First off this is not a homework question that i know of. I'm not in school but I had an idea I want to flesh out but I don't have the training to come up with the answer on my own.
Scenario 1:

There are 2 pots of water the 1st at 100 degrees c and a 2nd at 0 degrees.
There is a heat sink going from the middle of the first to the middle of the second.
It takes 10 minutes to for both pots to reach 50 degrees c.

Scenario 2:
There are 3 pots of water the 1st and 2nd at 100 degrees c and the 3rd at 0 degrees.
There is a heat sink connecting all pots just like above.

The question is will it take the same, more or less time to reach 66 degrees c in all 3 pots as it did in Scenario 1.
 
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There's a small problem: theoretically, it should take an infinite amount of time for the pots to get to 50 and 66.6 degrees, since the rate of heat transfer decreases as the temperature difference decreases. The final temperature is approached asymptotically but is never reached. However, we can get around this problem by specifying that the temperatures get arbitrarily close to their final temperature (50.1 and 66.7 degrees, for example)

Now we can get on with solving the real question. It may be easiest to solve it numerically; that is, divide the total time into small intervals and for each interval calculate the amount of heat energy that flows through the connection and also calculate how the temperature of the pots is affected by the energy change. Then repeat for the next interval and so on until the temperature has converged satisfactorily. Does this make sense?
 
Sadly it does not make since to me because I have no training in thermodynamics and not much training in math. I'm sorry but can you just tell me weather it will take longer, the same or less time to reach near equilibrium.

Thank you for your help.
 
The process is fastest when the pots are the same size (i.e., equilibrium will be reached faster in scenario 1).
 

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