Thermodynamics / micro/macro connection problem

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A user is attempting to calculate the rate of collisions of nitrogen molecules against a wall of a box, using thermodynamic principles. They initially calculated the root mean square speed and the number of nitrogen molecules but received an incorrect answer from the Mastering Physics system. After discussion with peers, they realized they needed to use the average velocity equation to find the correct average speed for the molecules. The user concluded that the expected answer should be on the order of 10^24 collisions per second, while the system erroneously accepted a value closer to 10^25. The conversation highlights the importance of using the correct equations in thermodynamic calculations.
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Homework Statement


A 10 cm * 10 cm * 10 cm box contains .01 mol of nitrogen at 20 degrees C.
What is the rate of collisions (collisions/s) on one wall of the box?

Homework Equations


\frac{N_{coll}}{t}=\frac{NAv_{x}}{2V}

v_{rms}=\sqrt{\frac{3k_{B}T}{m}}

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm really banging my head on the desk with this one. So far, I've calculated the following information.

T = 20 degrees C = 293 degrees K

N = .01 mol * avogadros constant = 6.02*10^{21} particles.

Nitrogen is diatomic, so the molecular mass is 28u.

m = molecular mass / avogadros constant = 4.65*10^{-26} kg

v_{rms}=\sqrt{\frac{3k_{B}T}{m}} = 511 m/s

Plugging this into the first equation given

\frac{N_{coll}}{t}=\frac{NAv_{x}}{2V} = \frac{Nv_{x}}{2*.1} = 1.54*10^{25}

This answer is incorrect according to masteringphysics, and I have no ideas from here. If anyone could offer some suggestions I would be very grateful.
 
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Thanks for the help everyone... =\

I figured it out after talking to some other students today. I was lacking one equation:

(v_{x}^{2})_{avg}=\frac{v_{rms}^{2}}{3}

Good luck on this problem for whoever needs this :D
 
I happen to also be working on this problem. In your last equation it is possible to get:

(v_{x})_{avg}=sqrt(\frac{v_{rms}^{2}}{3})

Do you plug this into this equation:

<br /> \frac{N_{coll}}{t}=\frac{NAv_{x}}{2V}<br />

for (v_{x})? I tried doing this and came up with the wrong answer. I assume the number of collisions per second would be an average of all of the molecules hitting the wall, however Mastering Physics would have me believe that I am wrong in this regard.
 
Yes, that's what you do. The mastering physics system has the incorrect answer stored as well, as if the number of moles were .1 rather than .01. The "true" answer should be to the magnitude of 10^24, while the one accepted by mastering physics is 10^25.
 
Alright, thanks. That problem was giving me many problems as well, and I am glad that forums such as these exist!
 
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