THermodynamics of a magnetic system

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The discussion centers on calculating thermodynamic potentials for a magnetic system, specifically focusing on magnetic enthalpy and its relationship to other variables. The user seeks clarification on the meaning of "p" in the context of magnetic systems, expressing confusion due to their background in traditional thermodynamics, which typically involves pressure and volume. It is explained that magnetic enthalpy serves as a state variable indicating changes in magnetic energy, which includes internal magnetic energy and magnetic work. The conversation highlights the complexity of magnetic systems, noting that different types of magnetic materials (like paramagnetic gases and solids) have distinct definitions for work and internal energy, contrasting with the simpler models used for ideal gases.
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I've been given the fundamental equation of a magnetic system .U(S,N,I)=...
I have to calculate some thermodynamic potentials such as U[T] etc.

One of them is the so called magnetic enthalpy and the expression for it is
U[p,B]. Another one is U[p]. How do I calculate it? I don't even know what it means.

Since I'm only used to pression, volume etc. I don't know what p is.

If S is entropy, I the equivalent of volume and B (magnetic field or whatever) the equivalent of pressure. WHat is p?
 
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Feynmanfan said:
Since I'm only used to pression, volume etc. I don't know what p is.

If S is entropy, I the equivalent of volume and B (magnetic field or whatever) the equivalent of pressure. WHat is p?
You haven't exactly explained the question very well.

Generally magnetic enthalpy is a state variable that will indicate whether the magnetic energy of the system (internal magnetic energy + magnetic work) has increased or decreased. It is just that there are different definitions of work and internal energy for a magnetic system (depending on what kind of magnetic system it is) than for an ideal gas system. You can have paramagnetic low temperature gases, paramagnetic solids, magnetic solids, nuclear magnetic or magnetic ion systems, or composite paramagnetic systems consisting of magnetic solids and gases. They have different parameters for work and internal energy.

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