Thermodynamics of an elastic band

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The discussion centers on the Gibbs free energy equation for an elastic band, specifically examining the entropy expression and its implications for thermal expansion. The user is tasked with demonstrating that the thermal expansion coefficient at zero tension is negative, which involves showing that the partial derivative of length with respect to temperature at constant tension is less than zero. There is some confusion regarding the entropy expression, with suggestions that it could be simplified, but the original formulation is confirmed to be correct. The conversation highlights the challenge of relating the variables without an explicit dependence on tension in the entropy equation. The thread concludes with uncertainty about how to proceed without additional assumptions regarding the constants involved.
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Homework Statement



The Gibbs free energy of an elastic band satisfied dG = -SdT - LdF where F is the tension and L the string's length.

At fixed temp the entropy is given by S = So - a(L-Lo)^2 + b(L-Lo)^2

Where Lo is the length of the elastic at zero tension and a and b are positive constants.

Show that the thermal expansion coefficient at zero tension is negative.


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The Attempt at a Solution



So I'm trying to show that partial L wrt partial T at constant F < 0.

Using a maxwell-type relation we can say dL/Dt)f = dS/dF)T

But I'm not sure where to go from here..the expression for S doesn't contain F and I can't see how to solve..
thanks!
 
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bon said:
At fixed temp the entropy is given by S = So - a(L-Lo)^2 + b(L-Lo)^2

Is this part correct? It seems like an odd way of writing it; I suspect there's a typo or another condition in there somewhere.
 
It is correct yes! And no typo..this was on a past exam paper.
 
bon said:
It is correct yes! And no typo..this was on a past exam paper.

It doesn't seem odd that the entropy expression could be simplified to S = So + c(L-Lo)^2, where c = b-a? I don't see a way to solve it unless it's also assumed that a > b.
 
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