Thermodynamics phase changes steam and water

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The problem involves mixing steam and water in a calorimeter to determine the final temperature of the system. The specific substances involved are 12.5 g of steam at 100°C and 344 g of water at 22.2°C, with a focus on the phase change of steam to water.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the phase change of steam and question which substance will undergo a phase change. There is uncertainty about how to approach the calculations related to the phase change and the specific heat involved.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring the implications of the phase change from steam to water and discussing the necessary calculations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the energy relationships during phase changes, but there is still uncertainty about the specific values needed for calculations.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of constraints related to the physics book not providing certain values for phase changes, which has led to confusion among participants. The discussion also highlights the need to recognize energy relationships in phase changes.

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Homework Statement



In each case, the following are mixed in a perfect calorimeter with no heat lost or gained from the system. Find the final temp in each case.

12.5 g of steam at 100C with 344 g of water at 22.2C.

Homework Equations



Q=Mc(Tfinal-Tinitial)
M is the mass in kg
C is the specific heat given by whatever substance we are dealing with
And the parantheses is the change in temperature

The Attempt at a Solution


So I didn't really know where to start with this problem I realize that one of the substances is going to undergo a phase change but am unsure how to find which one does it. If I could help with that I believe I could calculate the final temperature.
 
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Megan20102011 said:

Homework Statement



In each case, the following are mixed in a perfect calorimeter with no heat lost or gained from the system. Find the final temp in each case.

12.5 g of steam at 100C with 344 g of water at 22.2C.

Homework Equations



Q=Mc(Tfinal-Tinitial)
M is the mass in kg
C is the specific heat given by whatever substance we are dealing with
And the parantheses is the change in temperature

The Attempt at a Solution


So I didn't really know where to start with this problem I realize that one of the substances is going to undergo a phase change but am unsure how to find which one does it. If I could help with that I believe I could calculate the final temperature.
Steam exists at 100o or higher.
Water exists at 100o or lower. [but not below 0o]

Given that one quantity starts at 100o and the other starts at 22.2o, it is reasonable to assume that the final temperature will be somewhere in between those two - so which one do you now think will change phase.
 
The steam should become water since water boils at 100C. So it should just be common sense? Or is there a calculation I should be making?
 
So since the steam is undergoing a phase change to become water. I'm not sure what to multiply the mass for since it isn't fusion or vaporization.
 
Megan20102011 said:
So since the steam is undergoing a phase change to become water. I'm not sure what to multiply the mass for since it isn't fusion or vaporization.

Have you heard of melting and condensation?
 
Yes my physics book doesn't give those values though so I hadn't even thought I could use those.
 
Megan20102011 said:
Yes my physics book doesn't give those values though so I hadn't even thought I could use those.

Your book does give that - you just didn't recognise it.

The energy input need to vaporise some water equals the energy returned when that (now) vapour condenses.

Same thing with fusion and melting.
 
So it's just the sign that changes
. Thanks very much
 

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