Thermodynamics question: venting a tank of liquid oxygen

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The discussion focuses on the thermodynamic process of venting a dewar of liquid oxygen (LO2) to achieve subcooling. It explores the effects of adiabatic expansion when the pressure above the liquid is released, specifically from an initial pressure of 3 psig to atmospheric pressure. The initial temperature of the LO2 is approximately -297 F, and the participant is trying to determine the expected temperature drop from this process. They consider the energy changes involved in compression and expansion, noting that the energy changes are minimal and questioning the effectiveness of this method for achieving significant cooling. The conversation highlights the complexities of thermodynamic principles in relation to liquid oxygen behavior under varying pressures.
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I am trying to figure out how you can subcool a dewar of liquid oxygen (vacuum insulated) just by releasing the pressure sitting on top of it. The liquid I am thinking of in this case is liquid oxygen, which boils at -297.33 F at 1 atm. Let's say I fill a dewar with LO2, then pressurize that dewar to 3 psig (using cold gaseous oxygen), and then let it reach thermal equilibrium. Now once I open to vent to let that gas on top of it vent to atmosphere, there should be adiabatic expansion of the liquid of the pressure decreases, which should then decrease the temperature. All I am trying to figure out is about how much of a temperature drop would be reasonable to expect by doing this.

Some conditions:
Total LO2 mass = 68,000 kg
P_initial = 3 psig = 17.7 psia
P_final = 0 psig - 14.7 psia
T_initial = let's say -297 F
T_final = ?

I assume I can use the pressure change to somehow figure out the density difference, but I haven't taken thermodynamics in a while, so I am stuck on which equations/assumptions to use.

Thanks for the help.
 
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The energy in compression and expansion of liquid is minuscule and in any case if you pressurize it it will boil at a higher temperature, so you won't gain anything.
 
Thanks, that's in line with what I was thinking at first. In my particular example, there must be something else going on that I am unaware of.
 
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