Thevenin Equivalent Circuits with Dependent Source

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The discussion revolves around the method for determining the Thevenin Equivalent resistance (RTH) in a circuit that includes dependent sources. Participants are exploring the theoretical and practical aspects of applying Thevenin's theorem, particularly in circuits with dependent sources, and how to measure resistance in such scenarios.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant has calculated the Thevenin voltage (VTH) to be 8V and seeks assistance with finding RTH.
  • Another participant suggests connecting a voltage source of generic EMF (e_g) between two points, turning off independent sources, and using the formula RTH = e_g / i_g to find the Thevenin resistance, noting that e_g should be a linear function of i_g.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about whether dependent sources should be treated differently from independent sources when measuring resistance, suggesting that dependent sources contribute to VTH.
  • One participant calculates RTH as 1.6 ohms based on the circuit they see, using the formula R = V/I.
  • Another participant reiterates that independent sources must be switched off to measure equivalent Thévenin resistance, while dependent sources should remain active.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the treatment of dependent versus independent sources in the context of measuring Thevenin resistance. There is no consensus on the correct approach, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not clarified certain assumptions regarding the circuit configuration or the specific roles of the dependent sources, which may affect the analysis. The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and varying interpretations of Thevenin's theorem application.

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May anyone please help with the method of getting Thevenin Equivalent resistance (RTH) for the attached circuit. I have already found VTH to be 8V.

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I haven't looked at the circuit, but since you say it has dependent sources, the usual way to go about this is to connect a voltage source of generic EMF e_g between the two points, turn off all the independent sources, and then solve this circuit. Now, you use R_\text{Th} = \frac{e_g}{i_g} where i_g is the current going through the voltage source, where active references are used for voltage and current. If you've done everything right, e_g will be a linear function of i_g and you can simplify when you do the division.

This is for the Thévenin resistance - for the Thévenin EMF, all you need is the voltage drop between the two points when you open the circuit, as always.

Hope this helps. :)
 
Metaleer said:
I haven't looked at the circuit, but since you say it has dependent sources, the usual way to go about this is to connect a voltage source of generic EMF e_g between the two points, turn off all the independent sources, and then solve this circuit. Now, you use R_\text{Th} = \frac{e_g}{i_g} where i_g is the current going through the voltage source, where active references are used for voltage and current. If you've done everything right, e_g will be a linear function of i_g and you can simplify when you do the division.

This is for the Thévenin resistance - for the Thévenin EMF, all you need is the voltage drop between the two points when you open the circuit, as always.

Hope this helps. :)

I'm not sure if we have to treat a dependent source differently from a independent source when measuring resistance. Because you can also find a non-zero resistance in independent sources using your formula
R = \frac{V}{I}.
Dependent source definitely contributes to V_\text{Th}.
For the circuit I see,
Rth = 2//8 = 1.6 ohms.
 
Neandethal00 said:
I'm not sure if we have to treat a dependent source differently from a independent source when measuring resistance. Because you can also find a non-zero resistance in independent sources using your formula
R = \frac{V}{I}.
Dependent source definitely contributes to V_\text{Th}.
For the circuit I see,
Rth = 2//8 = 1.6 ohms.

I'm not sure what you mean. All independent sources need to be switched off to measure the equivalent Thévenin resistance between two terminals, and dependent sources need to be left there.
 

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