Time Dependent Perturbation Theory - Klein Gordon Equation

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the scattering amplitude using time-dependent perturbation theory in the context of the Klein-Gordon equation for spinless particles. Participants explore the mathematical steps involved in the derivation, assumptions made, and the implications of those assumptions on the behavior of wavefunctions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines the derivation steps involving the perturbation 'V' and the assumptions made about the wavefunctions and their interactions.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about the cancellation of terms in the equations and seeks clarification on why certain terms equal zero.
  • A different participant suggests that the perturbation can be treated as instantaneous, leading to the conclusion that the outgoing wavefunction behaves like a free particle.
  • Another participant agrees with the notion of treating the outgoing wavefunction as a free particle but introduces the idea that the perturbation should be considered adiabatic in nature.
  • One participant questions the validity of neglecting the second-order time derivative of 'a(t)' and asks for clarification on this assumption.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the perturbation (instantaneous vs. adiabatic) and the implications of the assumptions made during the derivation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the validity of certain assumptions and the treatment of the perturbation.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the assumptions made in the derivation, particularly the neglect of the second-order time derivative of 'a(t)' and the characterization of the perturbation. The discussion highlights the complexity of the mathematical treatment and the need for further clarification on these points.

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Hey,

I'm struggling to understand a number of things to do with this derivation of the scattering amplitude using time dependent perturbation theory for spinless particles.

We assume we have some perturbation 'V' such that :

\left ( \frac{\partial^2 }{\partial t^2}-\triangledown ^2 + m^2 \right )\psi = \delta V\psi

We also assume plane wave solutions of the wavefunction such that the input wavefunction is:

\psi _{in}=\psi _{i}(x)e^{-iE_{i}t}

A single eigenwavefunction of the wavefunction psi. This input interacts and we get an output wavefunction which can be expanded like so:

\psi _{out}=\sum_{n}a_{n}(t)\psi _{n}(x)e^{-iE_{n}t}

We substitute this output wavefunction into the perturbed Klein Gordon equation above and attain, (by assuming the second derivative of a(t) with respects to time is small):

\frac{\partial^2 }{\partial t^2}\sum_{n}a_{n}(t)\psi _{n}(x)e^{-iE_{n}t}=\delta V\sum_{n}a_{n}(t)\psi _{n}e^{-iE_{n}t}

Upon assuming the second derivative of a(t) is small we obtain the simplified equation:

-2i\sum_{n}\dot{a}_{n}(t)\psi _{n}(x)e^{-iE_{n}t}=\delta V\sum_{n}a_{n}(t)\psi _{n}e^{-iE_{n}t}

Though I'm not exactly sure why all these terms cancel... Nonetheless, to specify a value within the sum we use the orthogonality of wavefunctions - we want to attain the 'final' wavefunction and amplitude (denoted by subscript 'f') and so we multiply both sides of the above equation by:

\int_{-\infty }^{\infty }d^{3}x\psi_{f}^{*}

We then attain this equation upon use of orthogonality:

-2iE_{f}\dot{a}_{f}e^{-iE_{f}t}=\int_{-\infty }^{\infty }d^{3}x\psi _{f}^{*}\delta V\sum_{n}a_{n}(t)\psi _{n}e^{-iE_{n}t}

We then simplify by saying at t=0, all a(t)=0 apart from the initial a(0)=1 (so essentially we have one eigenwavefunction coming in) - this holds true for small 't'. The equation then becomes:

-2iE_{f}\dot{a}_{f}e^{-iE_{f}t}=\int_{-\infty }^{\infty }d^{3}x\psi _{f}^{*}\delta V \psi _{i}e^{-iE_{i}t}

to

\dot{a}_{f}(t)=\frac{i}{2E_{f}}\int_{-\infty }^{\infty }d^{3}x\psi _{f}^{*}\delta V \psi _{i}

and finally attaining solution:

a_{f}(t)=\frac{i}{2E_{f}}\int_{-\infty }^{\infty }d^{4}x\psi _{f}^{*}\delta V \psi _{i}

(the d4x including the time differential)

Now I'm unsure of a number of things including the output wavefunction form - I think it's just a sum of wavefunctions related to the input but the input is just a single wavefunction?

I'm unsure on why terms cancel in the assumption that the second derivative of 'a' with respects to time is small, though I will try doing the differentiation now and see if I can do it.

Basically, I'd be grateful if someone could check that this derivation follows through and if someone could explain why the assumptions have been made that'd be great.

Thanks guys,
SK
 
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The jump from the 4th to the 5th equation is confusing me, upon applying the time derivative and laplacian operator we attain a number of expressions that disappear but I'm not sure why. Can someone explain why these terms cancel or =0?

Thanks
 
They just disappear because apart from an,the ψ satisfies the homogeneous part,which will be equal to zero in absence of any potential.
 
So am i correct in thinking that the perturbation is instantaneous and so the outgoing wavefunction can be treated as a free particle and so solves the free Klein-Gordon equation?

Thanks
 
Sekonda said:
So am i correct in thinking that the perturbation is instantaneous and so the outgoing wavefunction can be treated as a free particle and so solves the free Klein-Gordon equation?

Thanks
of course,that is the lowest order approximation to treat the outgoing wavefunction as a free particle,that is what is done in general theory.But I do think that perturbation must be treated adiabatic in character.
 
Thanks, that's essentially what my professor said today - I was incorrect in describing the perturbation as instantaneous.

Cheers!
 
Dear i wish to know what is the validity of assumption that the second order derivative of a(t) is neglected. Kindly clarify the issue.
 

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