Time & Gravity: How Much Slower on Earth?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of time dilation in relation to gravity, specifically how time is affected by gravitational fields compared to regions of negligible gravity. Participants explore theoretical implications and measurements related to time passage on Earth versus in a hypothetical gravity-free environment.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that time slows down near gravity, questioning how much time would pass on Earth compared to a region with negligible gravity.
  • One participant emphasizes that there is no location in the universe completely unaffected by gravity, suggesting that even in interstellar voids, gravitational effects are minimal but still present.
  • Another participant clarifies that time dilation is influenced by speed and gravity, but not by acceleration, and provides a formula related to gravitational time dilation.
  • There is a request for a specific percentage of time dilation experienced on Earth compared to a gravity-free environment.
  • One participant notes that gravitational time dilation near Earth is very small due to its relatively low mass, and in a cosmological void, it becomes virtually negligible.
  • Questions are raised about the nature of time and space, pondering whether time can exist without gravity and whether space or time could exist without matter.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the existence of time without gravity, with some suggesting it may not exist, while others argue that the question is unanswerable due to the inherent presence of gravity in the universe. There is no consensus on the percentage difference in time experienced on Earth compared to a gravity-free environment.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in understanding time without gravity, as all participants acknowledge that gravity is a fundamental aspect of the universe, complicating theoretical explorations of time in its absence.

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Time slows down near gravity (or under acceleration);

so if a 100 seconds pass in space, somewhere wheres there is no (near zero) gravity, how many seconds passed on Earth over the period?

ie. what's the percentage difference does Earth experience against time that is not effected by gravity?
 
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First, there is absolutely nowhere in the universe that is unaffected by gravity. Since the range of gravity is infinite, at best you can say that out there in a huge interstellar void the effect is very very small.

The effect of the Earth's gravity on time dilation is very small, but very measurable. The clocks on board GPS satellites tick at a rate of about 40 microseconds faster per day than a clock here on Earth thanks to the lessened effect of gravity at their orbital distance. Way off in an interstellar void there would be an even larger difference, but it would still be very small.

http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit5/gps.html
 
hi seb7! :smile:
seb7 said:
Time slows down near gravity (or under acceleration);

no, time dilation does not depend on acceleration, only on speed (or gravity) :wink:
so if a 100 seconds pass in space, somewhere wheres there is no (near zero) gravity, how many seconds passed on Earth over the period?

ie. what's the percentage difference does Earth experience against time that is not effected by gravity?

time dilation due to gravity is approximately 1 - U = 1 - 2gM/rc2 = 1 - 2gr/c2 :smile:
 
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Hi, yes I understand GPS satellites tick faster, but they are hardly out of the Earth's gravitational field.
So, what's the answer to 1 - U = 1 - 2gM/rc2 = 1 - 2gr/c2 ?
I'm interested to know what, as percentage, is time on Earth slowed, compared to a place without gravity.
 
seb7 said:
I'm interested to know what, as percentage, is time on Earth slowed, compared to a place without gravity.

Drakkith said:
First, there is absolutely nowhere in the universe that is unaffected by gravity

There's your answer. (Or reason why there isn't an answer)
 
In fact, we know that gravity in the early universe was 'denser' than it is in the present universe [re: the Permutter supernova study]. Gravitational time dilation is incredibly small near Earth due to its 'tiny' mass. In a gigantic, cosmological void, it is virtually negligible.
 
So we have no idea of time without gravity? So that could mean time doesn't exist without gravity.
 
seb7 said:
So we have no idea of time without gravity? So that could mean time doesn't exist without gravity.

Would space exist without gravity? Would either space or time exist without matter? There is no way to answer these questions because the universe has gravity, time, space, etc. What would happen if one didn't exist is unknowable since we do in fact have them.
 

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