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The discussion focuses on solving a problem involving block springs in simple harmonic motion (SHM). The user initially attempts to relate the change in length of the springs to the displacement of the block using the cosine rule but encounters inaccuracies with the small angle approximation. A more effective method is suggested, involving dropping a perpendicular from the block to the stretched spring, forming a 45-45-90 triangle, which simplifies the relationship between the variables. The conversation highlights the importance of accurately applying the small angle approximation and geometric insights to derive the correct results. Ultimately, the participants arrive at a clearer understanding of the problem through collaborative discussion.
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Length of the unstretched springs is L .Suppose block is pushed towards C by a small distance x . This causes a change in length of springs B and C . Their new length is L+∆L .Consider spring B. If the new length makes a small angle θ with the vertical .

I need to find relation between ∆L and x .

Applying cosine rule ,

x2 = (L+∆L)2 + L2 -2L(L+∆L)cosθ

For small angles , cosθ≈1.

Using this I get ∆L = x .

This is not correct . What is the mistake ?
 

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Jahnavi said:
For small angles , cosθ≈1.
Perhaps that is not exact enough here.
How about applying the cosine rule using the known angle?
 
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haruspex said:
Perhaps that is not exact enough here.

Could you explain what do you mean by this .

Should I use cosθ ≈ 1-θ2/2 , but then what value should I put for θ ?
 
Jahnavi said:
Should I use cosθ ≈ 1-θ2/2
Yes, but as you say the result is unhelpful, so why not try the alternative I suggested.
 
haruspex said:
How about applying the cosine rule using the known angle?

That does give correct result :smile: Thank you .

This is one of the tougher problems in the book and the hint along with question is to use small angle approximation . This is why I used angle θ as it seemed to be the only small angle in the triangle formed .

If you can think of some why how to use small angle approximation , please let me know .
 
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Jahnavi said:
how to use small angle approximation
No, it does not seem useful here.
A simpler way is to drop a perpendicular from the original position of the mass to a stretched spring and observe that this produces a roughly 45-45-90 triangle with x as the hypotenuse and ΔL on each of the other sides.
 
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haruspex said:
A simpler way is to drop a perpendicular from the original position of the mass to a stretched spring and observe that this produces a roughly 45-45-90 triangle with x as the hypotenuse and ΔL on each of the other sides.

This is so good :smile:

How did you get this ? It is not obvious to me . How is length of the perpendicular ∆L (or how are the two angles 45° each ) ?
 
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Jahnavi said:
This is so good :smile:

How did you get this ? It is not obvious to me . How is length of the perpendicular ∆L (or how are the two angles 45° each ) ?
The perpendicular will meet the stretched spring roughly L from the spring's anchor point, leaving ΔL on the other side, from the perpendicular to the mass. Since that small triangle is nearly isosceles, the perpendicular itself is length ΔL.
 
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haruspex said:
The perpendicular will meet the stretched spring roughly L from the spring's anchor point,

How ?

haruspex said:
Since that small triangle is nearly isosceles,

How ?
 
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haruspex said:
The perpendicular will meet the stretched spring roughly L from the spring's anchor point
To be exact, L cos(θ) ≈ L.
haruspex said:
Since that small triangle is nearly isosceles
Angles are 90, 45-θ, 45+θ.
 
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haruspex said:
To be exact, L cos(θ) ≈ L.

Angles are 90, 45-θ, 45+θ.

OK . Thanks :smile:
 
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