To find the closest approach of two ships

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The discussion focuses on determining the closest approach between two ships, P and Q, with specific velocities and directions. The problem involves calculating the speed of ship Q relative to ship P, which is established as 40 km/h, and finding the direction of this relative velocity. The user seeks a simpler method to solve part C of the problem, which involves adjusting ship Q's course to minimize the distance to ship P. A suggested approach is to work in ship P's reference frame and analyze the locus of potential positions for ship Q to find the optimal course. The conversation emphasizes the need for a more straightforward solution to the complex calculations presented.
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To find the closest approach of two ships
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Could I please ask for help regarding the last part of this question:

At a given instant, a ship P revelling due east at a speed of 30km/h is 7km due north of a second ship Q which is traveling x degrees west of north at a speed of 14km/h, where tan(x)=3/4. Show that the speed of Q relative to P is 40km/h and find the direction of the relative velocity.

The ships continue to move with uniform velocities. Find:

a) The distance between the ships when they are nearest together.
b) The time taken, in minutes, to attain this shortest distance,
c) If initially, the course of Q had been altered to bring the ships as close as possible, the speed of Q and the speed and course of P being unchanged, find the direction of this new course.


I've done the first parts. It is part C that I feel must have a simpler way of being solved than the one I have. Here's me working for part C. First a diagram. to approach as closely as possible Q will need to head say x degrees east of north:

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Let i and j be unit vectors in the directions east and north respectively.

The position vector of P at time t is:

##r_p=30ti##

The position vector of Q at time t is:

##r_q=14t\,sin(x)\,i + (14t\,cos(x)-7)\,j##

Therfore the position vector of Q relative to P is:

##r_{qp}=r_q-r_p=(14t\,sin(x)-30t)\,i+(14t\,cos(x)-7)\,j##

and so, the distance between P and Q (call this D) is given by:

##D^2=(196t^2sin^2x-840t^2sin(x)+900t^2)+(196t^2cos^2(x)-196t\,cos(x)+49)##

##= 1096t^2-840t^2sin(x)-196t\,cos(x)+49## Call this "Equation (1)"

and so ##\frac{d(D^2)}{dt}=(2192-1680\,sin(x))t-196cos(x)##

and so this is a minimum when:

##t=\frac{196\,cos(x)}{2192-1680sin(x)}=\frac{49\,cos(x)}{584-420\,sin(x)}##

So this is the time at which minimum distance occurs. Next I would have to substitute this value for t into equation (1) to obtain an expression for D^2 in terms of x only, and then choose x so as to minimise this.

Is there an easier way? (ths answer given in the book is x = arcsin(7/15) east of north).

Thanks,
Mitch.
 
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gnits said:
Is there an easier way?
Work in P's reference frame. Represent Q's velocity relative to P as a vector from Q's position to some point R. What is the locus of R? Of all choices of R on that locus, which takes the line QR closest to P?
 
Thanks very much for your reply, I appreciate it.
 
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