Topologically conjugate function

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The discussion revolves around the question of whether the functions f(x)=2x and g(x)=x^2 are topologically conjugate, specifically exploring the existence of a function h(x) that satisfies the condition h(g(x))=f(h(x)).

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the initial attempts to find a suitable function h by guessing forms such as h(x)=x^n and analyzing the resulting equations. Questions arise regarding the systematic approaches to such problems and whether other forms of h could be considered.

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Some participants have provided insights into the properties that h must satisfy, such as being even, and have suggested specific functions like p(x)=log_k(x) as potential candidates. There is an ongoing exploration of different forms of h and their implications.

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Participants note the requirement for h to work for all x in the specified domains and discuss the implications of the even function property on the form of h. There is also mention of constraints related to the definitions of the functions involved.

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Homework Statement


Are f(x)=2x, x\in R and g(x)=x^2, x>0 topologically conjugate?

i.e. does there exist an h(x) such that

h(g(x))=f(h(x))

The Attempt at a Solution



My professor gave one example in class about finding such a function h which was by guessing it to be equal to xn and subsequently solving and finding the value of n. However, when I tried to apply the same idea to this problem, I come off short.

h(g(x)) = h(x^2)

f(h(x)) = 2h(x)

If we let h(x)=x^n then we want to solve for n in

x^{2n}=2x^n

x^n=2 = h(x)

Hence I find h(x)=2 but this doesn't work. Are there other guesses I could make? Or better yet, is there a more systematic approach to these sorts of problems? Does there even exist an h?
 
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Mentallic said:

Homework Statement


Are f(x)=2x, x\in R and g(x)=x^2, x>0 topologically conjugate?

i.e. does there exist an h(x) such that

h(g(x))=f(h(x))


The Attempt at a Solution



My professor gave one example in class about finding such a function h which was by guessing it to be equal to xn and subsequently solving and finding the value of n. However, when I tried to apply the same idea to this problem, I come off short.

h(g(x)) = h(x^2)

f(h(x)) = 2h(x)

If we let h(x)=x^n then we want to solve for n in

x^{2n}=2x^n

x^n=2 = h(x)

Hence I find h(x)=2 but this doesn't work. Are there other guesses I could make? Or better yet, is there a more systematic approach to these sorts of problems? Does there even exist an h?

You need h(x^2) = 2h(x) for all x \in \mathbb{R}. The left hand side is an even function, so h must itself be even. We can ensure that by taking h(x) = p(|x|) for some p : \{x \in \mathbb{R} : x > 0\} \to \mathbb{R}.

Do you know of any functions defined on x > 0 with the property that p(x^\alpha) = \alpha p(x)?
 
pasmith said:
You need h(x^2) = 2h(x) for all x \in \mathbb{R}. The left hand side is an even function, so h must itself be even. We can ensure that by taking h(x) = p(|x|) for some p : \{x \in \mathbb{R} : x > 0\} \to \mathbb{R}.

Thanks! This analysis helped a lot!

pasmith said:
Do you know of any functions defined on x > 0 with the property that p(x^\alpha) = \alpha p(x)?

Ahh well when you put it that way, evidently p(x)=log_k(x) for k>0 would work.

So does it suffice to choose h to be

h(x) = |\log_k(x)| : x\in \mathbb{R} \backslash {0} , h(x) = 0 : x=0
 
Actually, I only need to find one such h so ln(x) would suffice.
 

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