Torque about the axle of a rotating disk

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The discussion revolves around calculating the net torque on a rotating disk with given forces and dimensions. Participants express confusion about determining the direction of torque (positive for counterclockwise, negative for clockwise) without specified force directions. There is clarification that forces acting parallel to the axis do not produce torque, and only components of forces acting at angles contribute to torque. The need for a vector approach to torque calculations is emphasized, along with the importance of visualizing the forces in relation to the disk's rotation. Understanding these concepts is crucial for solving the torque problem effectively.
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"The 19.8 cm diameter disk rotates on an axle through its center. F1=18.1 N, F2=26.6 N, F3=26.6 N, F4=18.1 N, and d=4.64 cm. What is the net torque about the axle? "

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I have two questions about this problem:
(1) How do I know whether each force results in a negative or positive torque? I know that the torque conventions are positive if counterclockwise, and negative if clockwise, but the problem doesn't indicate the directions of the forces.
(2) Which forces result in no torque? I learned that if a force is parallel or acting on the axis (in this case, there are no forces acting directly on the axis), that force doesn't produce any torque. How do I denote which force is acting parallel to the axis, since its a disk?


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Forces acting parallel to the axis don't produce torque?

Homework Statement


I learned that if a force is acting parallel, or acting on the axis of rotation, it doesn't produce torque. If a force is acting at an angle to the axis, does that mean that only ONE component of that force (ie. the y or x component) actually produces torque?

How do I know which one is the force component that doesn't produce torque, if it's not a straightforward situation like an opening door, and instead, a more ambiguous situation like a rotating disk?


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kathyt.25 said:

Homework Statement


I learned that if a force is acting parallel, or acting on the axis of rotation, it doesn't produce torque. If a force is acting at an angle to the axis, does that mean that only ONE component of that force (ie. the y or x component) actually produces torque?

How do I know which one is the force component that doesn't produce torque, if it's not a straightforward situation like an opening door, and instead, a more ambiguous situation like a rotating disk?


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That's why you use the vector form of the equation for calculating the torque. Can you show us that vector equation?

Torque = ??
 
(I merged your two threads asking a common question)

Also, we would need to see the drawing from the problem to help you with the question on which forces do what.
 
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