Transfer function with multiple inputs

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the transfer function for a system with multiple inputs and one output. Participants explore methods to derive the transfer functions with respect to the input and output frequencies, addressing both theoretical and practical aspects of the problem.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states the need to find the transfer function using the formula for closed-loop systems but notes the complexity due to multiple inputs.
  • Another suggests that the participant should identify the transfer function H and use properties of linear transformations to determine G, emphasizing algebraic manipulation.
  • A different viewpoint proposes a method of setting one input to zero to solve for the other input's transfer function, and then combining the results, while later clarifying that this approach should be adjusted if separate transfer functions are desired.
  • Another participant agrees with the previous suggestions but emphasizes the need to define two distinct transfer functions for the two inputs, highlighting the concept of a "disturbance function" in addition to the normal transfer function.
  • A question is raised about the nature of the input "change in load," indicating that it is negative and suggesting that this implies positive feedback for that input.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to define separate transfer functions for each input, but there are differing opinions on the methods to derive these functions and the implications of the input characteristics.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the linearity of transformations and the specific definitions of the transfer functions are not fully detailed. The discussion also does not resolve the implications of the negative input change on the feedback system.

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Homework Statement


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Hi I am trying a question from an old textbook. I am required to find the transfer function with respect to the input frequency and the output frequency.

Homework Equations


For a closed-loop TF, then TF = G/(1+GH) but this does not involve additional inputs as in this case

The Attempt at a Solution


Really not sure, hence I am here
 
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You should be able to directly write down what H is and should be able to use simple properties of the transformations to write down what G is. The properties you need immediately are that signals summed becomes transformations summed (the transformations are linear) and a series of transformations along a signal path become multiplication of the transformations. Once you have that, you can start doing algebraic manipulations to simplify the equations.
 
Just let the second input = 0 & solve for the first. Then reverse the process and zero the first input & solve for the second. Then just add the two separate outputs.
EDIT: obviously, if you want the two separate transfer functions, do the above but leave out my last sentence! Exactly the same procedure.
 
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Of course, the above answer from rude man is correct, however, you have asked for the transfer function(s) and not for the composite output, right?
The answer is simple:
You have one output and two inputs.
Hence, we can (must) define two different transfer functions. These are simply found by setting one of both input signals equal to zero.
This situation is rather normal, because very often we have to distinguish between the "normal" transfer function (referenced to the signal input) and a "disturbance function" (referenced to a disturbing signal, like noise etc..).

Question: Do you realize that the input "change in load" is negative? That means: Referenced to THIS input we have positive feedback!
 
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