Transformation of a scalar field

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The discussion centers on the transformation properties of a scalar field under SU(2) gauge groups, specifically examining the mathematical expressions involved in these transformations and their implications for Lagrangian terms in a theoretical framework.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the sign differences in the transformation terms for the scalar field and the positioning of the scalar field relative to the SU(2) generators.
  • Another participant discusses the implications of the scalar field's transformation in the context of a Lagrangian term involving left-handed and right-handed fields, suggesting a need for review regarding signs and transformation definitions.
  • A participant raises a query about the transformation of a different term involving right-handed and left-handed fields, indicating a potential parallel in transformation behavior.
  • Another participant asserts that the overall signs in the transformation can vary based on definitions, but the relative sign between terms remains consistent, preferring to express certain terms with a conjugate scalar field for clarity.

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Participants express differing views on the signs and definitions of transformations, indicating that multiple competing interpretations exist without a clear consensus on the correct approach.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the definitions of transformations and the implications of sign differences in the context of gauge invariance, which may affect the interpretation of the scalar field's behavior.

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I read somewhere that, suppose a scalar field Σ transforms as doublet under both SU(2)L and SU(2)R, its general rotation is

δΣ = iεaRTaΣ - iεaLΣTa.

where εaR and εaL are infinitesimal parameters, and Ta are SU(2) generators.

I don't quite understand this. First, why does the first term have positive sign but the second term has a negative sign? Second, why is Σ after Ta in the first term, while Σ is before Ta in the second term?
 
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If the scalar field transforms in the (2,2) representation of the 2 SU(2)'s, then there will be a term in the lagrangian of the form:

\bar{\psi}_L \Sigma \psi_R
where the psiL lives in (1,2) and the psiR lives in (2,1)
Transforming that term:
\bar{\psi}_L e^{ iT_L^a \theta^a} \Sigma' e^{-iT_R^b \omega^b} \psi_R
Demanding gauge invariance:
\Sigma = e^{ iT_L^a \theta^a} \Sigma' e^{-iT_R^b \omega^b}
\Sigma = (1 + i T_L^a \theta^a) \Sigma' (1 - iT_R^b \omega^b)= \Sigma' + iT_L^a \theta^a \Sigma' - i \Sigma' T_R^b \omega^b
\delta \Sigma = \Sigma'-\Sigma = - iT_L^a \theta^a \Sigma + i \Sigma T_R^b \omega^b

This might need a review, eg signs, but I guess the main idea is that (as it also was for the SM) and that there is a sign difference (now how it goes depends on how you define the transfs).
What's your reference?
 
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What about a term ##\bar{\psi}_R \Sigma \psi_L##?
 
CAF123 said:
What about a term ##\bar{\psi}_R \Sigma \psi_L##?
It is the same. As I said, the overall signs can change depending on how you define the transformation, but the relative sign will still be the same.
Of course I would prefer writing that term with a sigma-dagger as that's a c.c. term in the Lagrangian?
 

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