Transient response of a control system.

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The discussion revolves around the concept of transient response in control systems, specifically focusing on why both physical systems (like fans and motors) and electronic components (such as amplifiers and diodes) exhibit transient responses. Participants seek a deeper physical interpretation of this phenomenon.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that all physical systems have inherent inertia, which causes a finite time to reach full response, illustrated through an example of a first-order RC circuit.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the transient response is linked to energy storage elements like capacitance and inductance, which require time to respond, while ideal systems without these elements do not exhibit transient responses.
  • A third participant proposes that mechanical and electrical systems can be bridged through analogies, suggesting that understanding these relationships can enhance comprehension of transient responses.

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Participants generally agree that transient responses are related to the presence of energy storage elements and inherent system inertia. However, the discussion includes varying examples and interpretations, indicating that multiple views remain on the specifics of these concepts.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about ideal versus practical systems are mentioned, such as the ideal conditions that would eliminate transient responses, but these assumptions are not fully resolved within the discussion.

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Hi guys.
I am a Mechanical Engineering Student but we've a course called Control systems. My question is why does any system(physical like fan,motor or electronic like amplifier) have a TRANSIENT RESPONSE and specially why do electronic components like amplifiers,diode or for that matter any electronic circuit have a transient response. A physical interpretation(in depth)would really help.
 
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Any physical system has an inherent inertia , so it takes a finite amount of time to reach the full response.

Being an electrical engineer I will illustrate using an example from electrical engineering.
for example , consider an series RC circuit of first order , the time constant is RC
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Let the input voltage be a step voltage with magnitude V.
Let the response to the input voltage be Vc(t). i.e we take output as voltage across the capacitor.
Then , Vc(t) will be governed by the equation :-
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As you see in above response the transient response is basically the exponential term . if you want it to be zero RC must equal zero. when RC = 0 the response would be simply Vc(t) = V for t > 0 . So the transient response is completely absent.

So you want a circuit with either R=0 or C=0 or both . This does not happen in practical circuits . Any capacitance has some leakage resistance .Any resistance has some capacitance.
Such 'deviations' from the ideal conditions we desire happen in other systems also be it mechanical system or electrical system or any other control system. This leads to the inertia
 
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As an ME you must know your quantities like momentum, force, and mass pretty well right? Have a look at http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Engineering_Acoustics/Electro-Mechanical_Analogies" . It's a nice way to bridge the two fields.

It's more than that though. You could use the analogies to build a circuit that acts as an analog computer that simulates some mechanical system.
 
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koolraj09 said:
Hi guys.
My question is why does any system(physical like fan,motor or electronic like amplifier) have a TRANSIENT RESPONSE
The reason is due to presence of energy storage elements. For example a voltage source connected to a resistor (assuming everything in and out to be ideal) will not have a transient response. Once capacitance and/or inductance come in the way, due to finite time needed for these energy storage elements to respond, we have a transient response.
 

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