Translation operator. Infinite potential well.

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The discussion revolves around the translation of wave functions in the context of an infinite potential well, specifically comparing the standard formulation for a well defined from ##[0,a]## to one defined from ##[-\frac{a}{2},\frac{a}{2}]##. Participants explore the implications of this translation on the wave function and the mathematical transformations involved.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that the wave function for the well defined from ##[-\frac{a}{2},\frac{a}{2}]## can be expressed as ##\psi_n(x-\frac{a}{2})##.
  • Another participant suggests that the correct transformation should be ##\psi_n(x + \frac{a}{2})##, indicating a need for clarity on the direction of translation.
  • A participant expresses confusion regarding the requirement for the wave function to be zero at ##-\frac{a}{2}## and ##\frac{a}{2}##, questioning the proposed transformation.
  • One participant hints at using a trigonometric identity to clarify the transformation process.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need to add to x for leftward translation, correcting the initial proposal.
  • Further clarification is provided on how to visualize the translation using a diagram of the potential well.
  • There is a reiteration of the need to substitute correctly when rewriting equations in terms of the translated coordinates.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct form of the wave function after translation, indicating that there is no consensus on the appropriate transformation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of the translation process.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the need for clarity on the mathematical transformations and the implications of coordinate systems, but do not resolve the underlying assumptions about the wave function's behavior at the boundaries of the potential well.

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For potential well problem for well with potential which is zero in the interval ##[0,a]## and infinite outside we get ##\psi_n(x)=\sqrt{\frac{2}{a}}\sin \frac{n\pi x}{a}##. If I want to get this result for well with potential which is zero in the interval ##[-\frac{a}{2},\frac{a}{2}]## and infinite outside we must do some translation. May I say that the wave function for this problem is
[tex]\psi_n(x-\frac{a}{2})?[/tex]
 
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Probably you want ##\psi_n(x + a/2)##.

In general, you can probably convince yourself that if ##\psi(x)## satisfies

##-\frac{\hbar^2}{2m} \frac{d^2}{dx^2} \psi(x) + V(x) \psi(x) = E \psi(x)##

then

##\phi(x) = \psi(x + a)##

satisfies

##-\frac{\hbar^2}{2m} \frac{d^2}{dx^2} \phi(x) + V(x+a) \phi(x) = E \phi(x)##
 
I'm not sure why. I need that wave function be zero in ##-\frac{a}{2}## and ##\frac{a}{2}##. In solved problem its zero in ##0## and ##a##. Isnt then wave function for potential well with potential which is zero in the interval ##[−\frac{a}{2},\frac{a}{2}]## and infinite outside we
[tex]\psi_n=\sqrt{\frac{2}{a}}\sin \frac{n\pi (x-\frac{a}{2})}{a}?[/tex]
 
Hint: consider the trig identity for ##\sin(\alpha \pm \beta)##.
 
I know the trig identy I just asked is transformation OK?
 
The Duck already answered your question. To translate a function to the "left", you need to add to x, not subtract. (More specifically, to translate a function to the "right" by b, you replace x by x-b. Moving to the "left" is opposite of that.)
 
If it's still not clear whether you want a + or - sign, draw a diagram of the potential well, and label the the sides of the well with the coordinates (x) in the untranslated system (origin at left side of the well) and the coordinates (x') in the translated system (origin at the center of the well).
 
Khashishi said:
The Duck already answered your question. To translate a function to the "left", you need to add to x, not subtract. (More specifically, to translate a function to the "right" by b, you replace x by x-b. Moving to the "left" is opposite of that.)

That confused me. Why?
 
jtbell said:
If it's still not clear whether you want a + or - sign, draw a diagram of the potential well, and label the the sides of the well with the coordinates (x) in the untranslated system (origin at left side of the well) and the coordinates (x') in the translated system (origin at the center of the well).

If I understand you origin in translated system has coordinate ##x'=0## and in untranslated ##x=\frac{a}{2}##. So ##x'=x-\frac{a}{2}##.
 
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LagrangeEuler said:
So ##x'=x-\frac{a}{2}##.

Correct. But you're beginning with an equation expressed in terms of x, and you want to re-write it in terms of x'. So you need to substitute x = ...
 

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