Tricky Exponential/Logarithmic Indefinite Integrals

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The discussion revolves around evaluating tricky exponential and logarithmic indefinite integrals using methods such as direct integration and substitution. Participants are exploring their understanding of integration techniques and the reasoning behind their approaches.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to solve three integration problems and questions the correctness of their answers. They express confusion over the professor's solutions and seek clarification on their own reasoning.
  • Some participants point out potential algebraic errors in the original poster's attempts and question the validity of certain transformations made during the integration process.
  • Others suggest alternative methods, such as trigonometric substitution, while acknowledging constraints on the techniques allowed by the professor.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with each other's reasoning, providing feedback on algebraic manipulations, and suggesting alternative approaches. There is an ongoing exploration of the problems, with some participants indicating they have resolved certain issues while still questioning others.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention restrictions on the integration methods they are allowed to use, which influences their problem-solving approaches. There is also a reference to confusion regarding the presence of certain terms in the equations being discussed.

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Hi,
Our professor has only taught us these methods for Integration...thus far:
Direct Integration
Substituion Method

So theoretically we should be able to solve these problems by substitution, direct integration...(double substitution) & by algebraic manipulation etc.

Ive attached 3 attempts at answers for 3 problems:

This first problem I am curious how our professor got "the answer in question"...Ive tried my best but all I could get was "my answer" the logic seems correct...see image

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This second problem I am curious why our professor also gave "the answer in question"...Ive tried my best but I would like to know if I am solving this correctly "my answer"...see image

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This last problem I am just curious to see if this is the correct way to solve this problem "my answer"...see image

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Your difficulty appears to be bad algebra. In the first problem you have
[tex]\frac{2e^{2x}- 8/3}{2e^{2x}- 5}[/tex]
and cancel the "[itex]2e^{2x}[/itex]" terms. You can't do that.

In the second problem you have, in one equation,
[tex]\frac{1}{\sqrt{2+ u^3}}[/itex]<br /> and in the next, the square root has magically disappeared!<br /> <br /> In the third problem, you have <br /> [tex]\frac{1}{2}\int 9^{u^2} du[/tex]<br /> and somehow that becomes <br /> [tex]\frac{1}{2}\int log_9(u)du[/itex]<br /> How did the exponential become a logarithm?[/tex][/tex]
 
Thanks for the reply and suggestions...

Ive since gotten the answers to problems #1(didnt balance the algebra correctly) and #3 (used the wrong integral formula)..

However, I believe #2 is correct...perhaps my posted image is bad...I don't have the equation
[tex] \frac{1}{\sqrt{2+ u^3}}[/tex]
anywhere...or at least I shouldn't!
 
Liquid7800 said:
Thanks for the reply and suggestions...

Ive since gotten the answers to problems #1(didnt balance the algebra correctly) and #3 (used the wrong integral formula)..

However, I believe #2 is correct...perhaps my posted image is bad...I don't have the equation
[tex] \frac{1}{\sqrt{2+ u^3}}[/tex]
anywhere...or at least I shouldn't!

In #2 after you do the substitution you have 1/sqrt(1+u^2). But the integration formula you apply is for 1/(a^2+u^2) (without the square root). You need an integration formula for 1/sqrt(u^2+a^2).
 
In problem 2, the obvious and natural method to evaluate [tex]\int\frac{1}{\sqrt{1+u^2}}\,du[/tex] is trig substitution. Unfortunately, you said you are not allowed to use that method.

You could use the completely unmotivated trick of multiplying numerator and denominator by [tex]u+\sqrt{1+u^2}[/tex]. Then the substitution [tex]w=u+\sqrt{1+u^2}[/tex] works.
 

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